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Opinion - Cooperation System is a MESS

Terddybug (INT1)Terddybug (INT1) INT1 Posts: 63

On the INTERNATIONAl1 Server there is 66975 members and 5324 co-operations.

67000/5300 = 12.6. It meant that there is only max 12 members per coop.

On the Test Server there is 26462 members and 4129 co-operations.
26000/4100 = 6.4. It meant that there is only 4 members per coop.

All co-ops are looking for members and nearly no one can find any. A lot have just gave up.
Some are trying to steel members from other co-ops.




Top 20 co-ops have anything from 42 to 70 members and 15 of those are looking for members.
On Test server Top 20 co-ops have from 12 to 24 members at moment. So far not looking yet for new members as
no research have been done so far.


Then there is the Language problem.

Most of the time you have a limited amount of members that understand you.

Can something be done about it.
  • Can co-op merge with one another? 
  • Can it be made more difficult to create new co-ops?
  • Can it be easier for new members to find a co-op when they started so that they are not forced to make a co-op?   - that is how my co-op started. 
  • Can anything else be done to sort out this MESS?
Post edited by Terddybug (INT1) on

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  • the only issue I can see there is  players not having the right to form their own co-op, some players just like to  open their own for fun, also a lot of the big co-ops don't want to let in low level players and there told to re apply when they  gain levels this has a negative effect on how they feel later in the game and prob don't wish to join a co-op that once turned them away, I agree there is an issue even on the UK server we have the same problems,It is worth approaching leaders of smaller co-ops and asking if they wish to join but would mean taking the other players in that co-op as a whole group, this can be a good direction to look into, recruiting new members has always been quite difficult but its the job of the leader to work hard to improve their co-op and deputies should be doing this too, just my opinion :), I hope you manage to find new players

    regards

    Andyh
  • Terddybug (INT1)Terddybug (INT1) INT1 Posts: 63
    :( Maybe I have given up on trying to find new members. :(
    My co-op is Stuck on the level it is.
    With 10 members when I need 18 for research.
    Not doing any more projects either.
    :/ So much fun for everyone! :/


    • Maybe  that new members are forced to join co-ops and learn everything there.
    • Maybe they will love it so much there that they never want to create their own co-ops.
    • Maybe they won' be stuck with a co-op that they have spend so much on that they don't want to leave it maybe to join a bigger one.
    • Maybe they won't be responsible for old members who deserve better than to be stuck with a stuck up coop.
    • That is just another opinion.
    Andy, at  least on the GB1, server people speak English. One less problem for you to worry about. ;)

  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    Agree with most points above, another issue I think needs fixing is projects. We have two new crops yet neither of them appear in any of the projects. To be honest I think projects are quite boring and tedious at times. A coop market would be so much more interesting in my opinion. Allow team members to complete large market contracts as a group and share the rewards.
  • It is possible to merge coops together, You just have to find one who is willing to do so. Talk to leaders, ask if they are interested, if all coop members are willing to rejoin other "nest" and voila, its done. 

     I agree that for new beginners it is hard to find a coop, as they looking at the wrong place (should use that "Multiplayer features" button instead or the forum). But many, and I do mean many higher level coops accepting lower level players. 

    And I don't agree that its unfair that higher ranking coops are not willing to accept low levels. They do, but usually after level 20-25..maybe a bit higher.  But if to be honest, how often do we see ppl trying this game, reaching lv 20 or so and then, when it becomes a bit harder they just leave? To reach lv 20-25 is a very easy, anybody can do it in a couple of days, but that's where it also get serious. How many people join the coop, get their gold reward, then become *red dot* and never come back? Way to many..so it is not to much to ask to level up a bit and actually see if this game IS for new players liking and IF that farmer gonna stay at all. 




  • amandaps (INT1)amandaps (INT1) INT1 Posts: 300
    It seems to me that quite a few of the 66975 members and 5324 co-operations you mention are no longer  functioning or active. That means the numbers are giving a skewed impression.

    If people are genuinely looking for a coop to join, they need only read through the descriptions of coops marked as looking for members, to try and find one that matches them best.
    They can also join the ones marked with the open lock (such as shown in the screen shot) without even applying - it would be hard to imagine something easier than that.

    They might also, when applying, take the trouble to send a personalised message - I will usually allow even low level members the opportunity to join us if they at least make a little bit of effort with their application. This tells me that the person is at least somewhat serious about the game and not just wasting the coops time, taking up space until they have to be removed for inactivity.

    Also, people are (how to put this delicately?) ... unusual, sometimes. They mark themselves as looking for a coop in the ranking and when approached with a nice letter of introduction and invitation, almost none of them ever bother to respond (not even to say, no thank you, I'm not interested).

    It is a very frustrating task at times, to build a successful co-op  :/ 
  • @gizmo22 (AU1)....Agree with most points above, another issue I think needs fixing is projects. We have two new crops yet neither of them appear in any of the projects. To be honest I think projects are quite boring and tedious at times. A coop market would be so much more interesting in my opinion. Allow team members to complete large market contracts as a group and share the rewards.

    I love these ideas!  Some new projects would freshen things up and the coop market sounds great!  Here's hoping these thoughts become action!


  • Kleine Jan (NL1)Kleine Jan (NL1) NL1 Posts: 283
    It seems to me that quite a few of the 66975 members and 5324 co-operations you mention are no longer  functioning or active. That means the numbers are giving a skewed impression.

    If people are genuinely looking for a coop to join, they need only read through the descriptions of coops marked as looking for members, to try and find one that matches them best.
    They can also join the ones marked with the open lock (such as shown in the screen shot) without even applying - it would be hard to imagine something easier than that.

    They might also, when applying, take the trouble to send a personalised message - I will usually allow even low level members the opportunity to join us if they at least make a little bit of effort with their application. This tells me that the person is at least somewhat serious about the game and not just wasting the coops time, taking up space until they have to be removed for inactivity.

    Also, people are (how to put this delicately?) ... unusual, sometimes. They mark themselves as looking for a coop in the ranking and when approached with a nice letter of introduction and invitation, almost none of them ever bother to respond (not even to say, no thank you, I'm not interested).

    It is a very frustrating task at times, to build a successful co-op  :/ 
    Very good written amandaps In our coop we noticed that when you put a bit work in the applyants they will join the coop. 

    And is also nice even when they apply to our coopbut not accept the offer to become a member they send a pm and thank us for the opportunity given but they rather go to another coop.

    Also we think that joining a coop is a quest or task that comes to early in the game. 
    IMO it would be better from level 25 to have that task. In that time the player had the time to discover the game beginnings and how to run more or less his / hers farm on a proper way.

    And also the new lower level members are sometimes to affraid to ask the other members for help by the chat or PM. It seems they think we have that huge big farm with a high level since day 1. I always tell then that i was a small farmer also 2 years ago,and that the other players helped me also a lot.

    People whoom are asking questions are getting clever peoples. And will be good coopmembers in a while when they notice that their questions are awnsered and not ignored


  • SANDRAUser60 (US1)SANDRAUser60 (US1) US1 Posts: 539
    edited 02.09.2016
    Please I beg you, all players looking for a co-op...do your homework, like amandaps said, read what the co-ops write they are looking for.  For example:   A co-op wants "DAILY OR ACTIVE" players, and you only play on weekends, do not apply to those co-ops !!  I know for a fact there are those types of co-ops (weekend players)out there that would welcome you and frankly be glad you wanted to join them.

    I truly don't understand why someone would join a co-op only to get booted out because of that one reason....

    I also agree with you boer bartels, it would be better to at least a level 25 before looking for a co-op,  so they could get a better feel of the game to see if they are going to love it and play it and how often they play.

    amandaps also said and I agree that it (can be) very frustrating task at times, to build a successful co-op   

    There is a lot of trial & error  in this game... it can be forgiving and also costly...like real life ~ It's how you play it.  Learn from your mistakes, make changes when needed and help others along the way. o:)   and hopefully you will find your niche in Big Farm as well as life !

  • Data King (US1)Data King (US1) US1 Posts: 7,994
    Every one here has brought up very good points on Co ops and members/players.
    Being a Co op Leader I have discovered that some players want to learn and really enjoy the game. Others not so much. This game is not for every one ;)
     We as a co op just recently change our policy as to the level of players we will accept, as it takes a lot of time to hold hands of a new player and try to teach them every thing about the game. One simply can not do this in a short time frame. I do and will take the time to help out any one who asks for my help but I only have so much time my self. :0
     One of the biggest reasons there are so many co ops is due to the fact that at level 16 you can join or start one. As mentioned, most new players have no idea where to find a co op or what kind of co op that would be good for them. :*
     I urge all any small co ops, with fewer members than 10, to really take a long hard look at whether or not they want to continue as a small co op and try to build up or join a bigger one that has already done all that.  B)
     I do agree it should be harder to start a new co op rather than joining one. Try joining at level 15 but make it so one has to be level 25 or better to start one.
     I for one like players who have not reached the level (30) were they can opened the temp farms, as these will really slow a players progress if they do not understand how they work, let a lone how much they cost to do.

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