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Organic Market Bounce Contracts Mechanic?

How does declining a contract work exactly? On observation, it seems as the more I reject, then the more low level contracts I receive? Sometimes I get level 99 contracts, then when I reject a few I start getting lv 0, 30, or 40. Maybe I'm just observing this wrong? Maybe I need to fill the low level contracts until they level up? If so, then why do these contracts come back at some particular levels, like 0, 30, 40 instead of numbers in between?

I feel like declining contracts results in punishment by being offered lower level contracts. It's like I'm being pushed back. This has led me to accept all offered contracts no matter how difficult to fill or how low level they are.

Any thoughts?

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  • JVD (US1)JVD (US1) US1 Posts: 2,784
    I think the  contracts go in some kind of cycle... I decline all my lvl 0 contracts... and there are plenty that show up... I pick and choose between what shows up no matter what lvl they are (other than 0).. I decline them or start work on them...and am a happy camper when I can finish a several mil contract so I can move on to the next one...
  • Data King (US1)Data King (US1) US1 Posts: 7,994
    I think you will find it is better not to decline any organic market orders. Only the "Limited" contracts are timed so you can take your time filling the others. I have never declined a contract and I get plenty of good paying contracts with a lot of varity. If I were to decline a contract it would be one of the "Limited" ones, but even those can be done if planned right.
  • shazamd (US1)shazamd (US1) US1 Posts: 766
    If you decline a lot of contracts, the new ones will go down in level slightly, but will climb back up as you fill contracts again.  Like Data King, I usually only decline the Limited Contracts that I would have to use gold or seaweed to fill.
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617
    I don't decline the limited contracts.  I just wait until I have all the items before filling them.  Usually they don't require too much.
  • DuffyKid (US1)DuffyKid (US1) Posts: 370
    edited 29.06.2016
    I don't decline the limited contracts.  I just wait until I have all the items before filling them.  Usually they don't require too much.
    I've had 2 now for more apples than I can fill even if the barn is completely full (2 top level gold barns) and all 8 of my orchards (2 lvl 7, 6 lvl 6) are ready to be harvested (and I have lvl 4 of the apple handbook). I would have to use gold or seaweed fertilizer to complete.
  • Data King (US1)Data King (US1) US1 Posts: 7,994
    Hey @DuffyKid (US1) are those "Limited" contracts for the apples?? 
  • Hey @DuffyKid (US1) are those "Limited" contracts for the apples?? 
    Yes, they were limited contracts.  :(
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617
    I don't decline the limited contracts.  I just wait until I have all the items before filling them.  Usually they don't require too much.
    I've had 2 now for more apples than I can fill even if the barn is completely full (2 top level gold barns) and all 8 of my orchards (2 lvl 7, 6 lvl 6) are ready to be harvested (and I have lvl 4 of the apple handbook). I would have to use gold or seaweed fertilizer to complete.
    Oh, that stinks.  I'd definitely decline those.  Good to know, DuffyKid.
  • Data King (US1)Data King (US1) US1 Posts: 7,994
    Hey @DuffyKid (US1) are those "Limited" contracts for the apples?? 
    Yes, they were limited contracts.  :(
    Yes if that was or is the case then most likely I to would have declined it or them as well. The only other option would be to put in another apple orchard or 2 ;)
  • Thanks for the help everyone. This confirms that the contracts definitely go down levels if declined.

    What is your opinion on filling contracts for the pure sake of completing them? I just rejected a 18,000 corn offer because I am a corn buyer. I can't justify buying the corn just to sell it, and it's not my play style to expend ss corn or sit for hours harvesting that amount. Is it worth the trouble to buy the corn to complete a contract?
  • Data King (US1)Data King (US1) US1 Posts: 7,994
    You would have to weigh it out, how much does it cost you to buy compared to being able to fill the contract and how much you would get if you do fill it ;)
  • You would have to weigh it out, how much does it cost you to buy compared to being able to fill the contract and how much you would get if you do fill it ;)
    Is maintaining market level integrity worth the dollars? I think so (?), since you get other currencies (shoes, deco parts, gold, etc.)
  • Data King (US1)Data King (US1) US1 Posts: 7,994
    Yes you are right there @blusafe (US1) if the other rewards are a part of the contract those should be taken into account as well.
  • Southern (US1)Southern (US1) US1 Posts: 3,268
    From my observation, contract types are divided up into the number of individual items required to complete that contract. 

    I.E., 1 contract type = 1 item contracts 
    1 contract type = 2 item contracts
    1 contract type = 3 item contracts
    ..
    1 contract type = 6 item contracts

    Each time you complete one of the contract types, the next time you get that contract type the bonus value will increase.  If you decline that contract type, the next time you get that contract type the bonus value (might or might not) decrease. It doesn't seem to matter if they're "regular" contracts or "limited" contracts. 

    For instance, if you decline everything except "1 item contracts", and complete ALL of the 1 item contracts that you receive, your 1 item contract bonus value will work it's way up to 99, while the 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 item contracts will remain at bonus value 0.

    I started out this way, filling all 1 and 2 item contracts, simply to get my bonus value (for 1 and 2 item contracts) up to 99 as quickly as possible. That way I could get the 25% bonus for my goods.  Now that I have a steady income with Honey Creams and don't rely on the market for income, I'm focusing on getting the 3-6 item contracts all up to 99. It's taking a while. :)
  • So let me ask a question maybe one of you farmers will be able to help me.  I have a contract in the OM that ask for 387 milk. It says it will pay me $12,596 and the bonus was 12.44%.  When I do the math my 387 milk at $31 each will pay me $11,997.  If I was to add the 12.44% to it that bonus would be $1,492 for a total of $13,489.

    How is GG giving me only $599 for a 12.44% bonus?  What am I missing?
  • Data King (US1)Data King (US1) US1 Posts: 7,994
    If you have the Lab up to level 3 you can make premium cow feed which makes feeding your cows free adding more profit to your bottom line ;) It may also depend on the level of your cows and production cost.
  • Southern (US1)Southern (US1) US1 Posts: 3,268
    edited 01.07.2016
    So let me ask a question maybe one of you farmers will be able to help me.  I have a contract in the OM that ask for 387 milk. It says it will pay me $12,596 and the bonus was 12.44%.  When I do the math my 387 milk at $31 each will pay me $11,997.  If I was to add the 12.44% to it that bonus would be $1,492 for a total of $13,489.

    How is GG giving me only $599 for a 12.44% bonus?  What am I missing?
    You don't get the bonus until you fill and deliver the contract. You'll then get 2 money pile drops - one with the amount specified in the contract ($12,596), and a separate money pile drop that contains the bonus amount ($1,566).  So you'll actually get $14,162 for filling that contract. 

    The amount of the contract itself (the $12,596 figure) contains a small random bonus, but I'm not sure exactly what it is or if it's just a random amount. 

    @{Edit: Looks like the default contract bonus that it worked into the contract itself is 5%. So your 387 milk @ $31 = $11,977 * 5% bonus = $12,596. Then you get the added bonus of the 12.44% as a separate money drop). All my contracts are holding up this hypothesis (default 5%) as well.}
    Post edited by Southern (US1) on
  • KarenKay (US1)KarenKay (US1) Posts: 1,036
    Live and learn.  I was in chat a few weeks back complaining that every single contract was requesting a minimum of 20K in apples.  I had NEVER declined a contract.  All of my contracts are valued at 99 so I get the full 25% bonus, and it's been like this for longer than I can even remember.  It is very, very rare for me to get a contract below 1M.  Most are at least 2M up to 10M so far.  

    Well my fellow members instruct me to decline some of these contracts so I can get past this apple phase.  Begrudgingly, I finally do it, declining 2 of the 6.  From that day forward each new contract was less than 1M, and there was a huge increase in limited "timed" contracts, though the value is still at 99.  It is now 1 month later and I finally received contracts over a million.

    Never again, I'll just keep working through them as I did before, and keep my mouth shut.  :|
  • I don't decline the limited contracts.  I just wait until I have all the items before filling them.  Usually they don't require too much.
    I've had 2 now for more apples than I can fill even if the barn is completely full (2 top level gold barns) and all 8 of my orchards (2 lvl 7, 6 lvl 6) are ready to be harvested (and I have lvl 4 of the apple handbook). I would have to use gold or seaweed fertilizer to complete.
    I get that kind of contract frequently,  especially the limited ones.  I decline them most cases.  If a side task or event would call for apples, say,  I may use the seaweed as I think it is only worth doing then.
  • So let me ask a question maybe one of you farmers will be able to help me.  I have a contract in the OM that ask for 387 milk. It says it will pay me $12,596 and the bonus was 12.44%.  When I do the math my 387 milk at $31 each will pay me $11,997.  If I was to add the 12.44% to it that bonus would be $1,492 for a total of $13,489.

    How is GG giving me only $599 for a 12.44% bonus?  What am I missing?
    You don't get the bonus until you fill and deliver the contract. You'll then get 2 money pile drops - one with the amount specified in the contract ($12,596), and a separate money pile drop that contains the bonus amount ($1,566).  So you'll actually get $14,162 for filling that contract. 

    The amount of the contract itself (the $12,596 figure) contains a small random bonus, but I'm not sure exactly what it is or if it's just a random amount. 

    @{Edit: Looks like the default contract bonus that it worked into the contract itself is 5%. So your 387 milk @ $31 = $11,977 * 5% bonus = $12,596. Then you get the added bonus of the 12.44% as a separate money drop). All my contracts are holding up this hypothesis (default 5%) as well.}
    OH Thank you for figuring that out for me.  I was like omg, why would someone not do proper math before they put it up for order.  Thanks again.

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