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I do hope to see you back and will miss you here.
Hugs
Edit to add: that is, If I am still here because if they enforce that "no protection/adblocking" I won't be here.
Even if we do make the top 24, which appears to be a small chance (we are a cooperative of 38 and get 4 snowflakes from eggs, 12 from pigs, so using Scissors figures from an earlier post the difference between a medium and a large sized cooperative does not appear to be noticeably substantial and as a result of the scaling quite a number of the smaller cooperatives are easily overtaking us), the boost I guess we would get will not be more than having had an extra 2 weeks working on the deco happiness value "trying" to complete week 4. So this snowflake competition aspect almost feels a bit like a penalty for having got 100% for the last 4 weeks.
It would have been much better if the snowflakes had improved the value directly and the "cherry on the top" decoration was reserved for cooperatives that managed to get a certain value. Personally I think it would have been nice to see the value counter increasing with every snowflake ... The scaling would have benefited the small cooperatives and it wouldn't appear as a penalty for those that completed each week. It would also have been a LOT better if this had not been a surprise.
ok gripe over ... Merry Christmas all
edit ... just seen witchy's post with comparison figures so doesn't look like scaling is any good at any level ...
@PINJO1986 (NL1) You will be sorely missed!
The snowflake drop rate depends on the max number of players that a coop can have at present (limit depends on completed recruitment research) and not on the actual number of players who play in the coop
If your coop has a limit of (for example) 11 players but it has 2 players then it will be very hard for you to compete for the top 24 spots in this final part of the event
7 members x 15 snowflakes = 105
29 members x 6 snowflakes = 174
42 members x 4 snowflakes = 168
65 members x 3 snowflakes = 195
That seems fair.
This way its impossible to win if your coop is small
Yea its cool that we get our decoration but it would be better if our snowflakes would increase the happiness further. Imagine all of the poor souls that don't read the forum very often or at all. They're going to work so hard in the next 2 weeks, thinking they're getting somewhere just to be disappointed when the event ends if they're not in the top 24.
I'm not happy that every little thing has to be a competition. I really enjoyed this event competition up to this point.
Do we have a chance for the top 24? -- no way since the top coop in the US has already doubled the production of the coop in 2nd place. We are in 107th place, so I guess I should be happy with that.
I find it odd though ... I've always read in these forums that the developers don't like production farms with little happiness. Yet, this stage of this event Totally rewards production farms rather than happy farms. Of course a farmer with 25 chicken coops and a dozen cow barns with 2 decorations is going to generate more snowflakes than a well decorated happy farm with 6 chickens and 5 cows.
I don't participate in the coop challenge for that reason -- I know our 2 person coop doesn't have a snowball's chance of doing well or winning anything but the little prizes. I was very happy when this event was introduced because you lead us to believe small coops had a chance of getting the best prize. We thought we would only be competing against ourselves.
Now we are being pitted yet again against huge coops. I liked this event because to do well you only had to work your farm. Now it is impossible for us to do well with only 2 people.
I like building games, which this game once was. The more competition you add, the less I like the game.
Merry Christmas ALL!!!
The top (blue) 24 co-ops in this list aren't automatically the ones who will win the Ice Palace - or am I just more confused?
After all, my co-op is also being displayed with our snowflake totals even though we're not eligible to win the Ice Palace (since we didn't achieve the Ice Castle deco). Every co-op who participated in the event by just one donation is being included in this list - and we can't tell which ones have the 4th deco.
To my understanding so far (and I'm not usually such a bird brain, but this event has been somewhat confusing) - to earn the Ice Palace, a co-op has to both 1) achieve the Ice Castle deco and 2) place in the top 24 for snowflakes. This list only shows who's collected the most snowflakes (#2).
And if we didn't achieve #1, the Santa's List event is over for us. Please, correct me if I'm wrong here.
edited to add this,
your ending has no interest for me, I am in a co-op that is ranked 7th in the snowflakes but I want no part of this ending, thus I have now stopped collecting on my main farm so I can also no longer contribute to co-op projects forcing me to leave a co-op I love being a part of, I don't want to beat any co-op to this final reward for all their hard work it is Christmas where people help each other or have you guys no idea what Christmas actually means to a lot of people, it is a time when people come together join hands and celebrate life, not a time to make people compete against each other, I am disgusted with GGS
Thanks for the message. Appreciated.
Acctually I agree with you regarding the Frosted crystal palace as cherry on the top.
What is unfair that snowflakes of all other coops below Top24 just drop.
Ok ... not in the Top 24 ...no ice palace ... fine .. no cherry ... But what about some recognition or reward for collecting thousands of snowflakes. Maybe at least a percentage of additional happiness.
eg. coop in top 24 collects 100 Snowflakes and that gives 100 extra Happiness (100%)
coop raking 2400 collects 10 Snowflakes and gets 5 extra Happiness (50%)
Is that something you could still arrange? Like it happened with the money received for donated goods in the first weeks?
Please suggest this to the developer team
Thanks
Sia
Let's say there is a coop that failed to fulfill orders in all the weeks but one. So they made it only to the second deco level. But they might be extremely active with the snowflakes and become one of the top 24 most hardworking coops. That would move them to the third deco level. So it depends how many weeks were successfully completed (and I personally suggest also the player's level - as I understand the way the quality levels work.. the level is pretty much based on the happiness. And since the happiness in Santa's event is based on the player's level, the quality level of the deco might in the end actually differ amongst the members. But don't take me seriously, it's just a thought ).
A couple of things:
People in my coop have been under the impression that completing the "started" lists would get them to the final decoration that was animated. This impression was created by GGS. You freely admit that the communications were terrible, so fix it. You absolutely can. I do not know if we will make the top 24 or not. Christmas and New Year's are too big variables that make it totally unpredictable.
But, as a coop leader, I have to be a cheerleader for you guys a lot. This kind of screw-up makes that absurdly hard. I pushed people through this competition. They have spent tens of millions of farms dollars and lots of gold. Some people sacrificed the Viking farm for this. This is a big deal. You should not minimize it. If you do not honor the coops that completed all weeks successfully with the animated deco, I don't know how I am supposed to expect any player to work hard on the next event you dream up. How do I ask anyone to trust the rules of an event if you don't honor this one. On these forums, I go out of my way to compliment you guys whenever I can and to ask people to make their criticism appropriate, but on this one, you guys need to do the right things here, so that it is possible for me to defend you. But this notion that you can't fix it - no one is buying that.
But thats the thing, it isnt a mistake. This was planned by GGS from the start. Their goal is to make money and their best way of doing that is to get us to buy as much gold as possible. Nearly everything they introduce into this game is designed to get us to buy gold and I anticipate there will be a hot deal arriving soon where u can buy a large amount of snowflakes by buying gold. The ones that take this hot deal are basically buying the decoration with real money.......50 dollars real money (example) for an ice palace decoration? Pfff i'll pass!
I agree this is very unfair on the smaller groups but its one of many unfair additions GGS have brought to us this year.
This is the week before Christmas. Half my coop members are either out of town or extremely busy & do not have collecting snowflakes on their list of priorities.....& rightly so. More glad than ever that we did not kill ourselves in this event from day one. No offense to GGS but I really hope that this event is either retired for good or revamped in a very major way before making a return visit next year.
All I can say - this is terrible, sad, disappointing, not fair, far from reasonable/sensible.
We can already give up the "competition". We completed all 4 weeks successfully, but we do not stand a chance to get to top 24 in collecting snowflakes - over 10 vacancies (about 30 players with co-op's capacity 43) and no way to get a co-op full with reasonable players + many of our players are limiting the time spent on the game because of Christmas and New Year as they will be spending time with families and friends and often going away for a few days, a week or even a couple of weeks.
The event was a disaster from the very start with Santa's orders far from reasonable.
Very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all BigFarm players : )
Shame on you, GGS !
In your Terms&Conditions you write that players can play/use the game only for entertainment - I'm afraid you don't make it possible with all those "hard work events" and "hard work rewards" and constant pressure and push with too many failed "attractions" - Greedy Santa's event being the worst of them all.
Not my idea of entertainment.
EXACTLY!!! ^^^^
yo who has ps4
You think you got nothing from the forth week? What about the added happiness, huh?
Anyway this has been previously said that there was gonna be one spare week for "training".
edit - one more thing:
The very same coop, much lower level (50 vs 151) and still get the same amounts. So my conclusion is that the player's level doesn't affect it.
I didn`t say we got nothing from the 4th week, I said we got nothing for "completing" it, We completed 4 weeks, for 3 of them we got additional base happiness & moved up to the next deco building, the 4th one we got neither of those things. The additional happiness gained on Sunday for helping to finish the incomplete orders is irrelevant compared to the cost of completing them, most of the happiness was already gained from monday-saturday & if we had been told there was no point completing them, we could have saved a lot of money.
I never heard it said anywhere that there was a week for "training". Coops that failed a week were told that it was ok because they still had a chance to get the top deco, it was never said that even if we completed all 4 weeks we would still only have the same "chance" as those completing 3 weeks.
I agree with @jess_d (US1) !
Ok fine, so not everybody gets the superduper final deco. But it cannot be that you get NOTHING further at all for playing the event 2 more weeks. There should be at least SOME benefit in joining and collecting snowflakes. To get absolutely zilch no matter how many snowflakes you collect (below rank 24 obviously) simply doesnt conform with previous farming events/competitions - In literally every other event, even if you dont reach the final deco, you always ALWAYS get at least some tiny reward, some measly bags of superhumus/seeds or whatnot, or maybe, lets continue how the event worked so far, and make the snowflakes count for at least SOME increase in the happiness of the deco at the same visual stage we reached so far.
Please, CM's, keep passing on our outcrys so the gamelords of ggs will make some final changes before the event is over.
Looking at the coop Santas wish list week 4, for my coop it is showing a quality level of
3/7 We did miss one week of the event as we were told this was ok to do and we would not miss out on the top deco.
3/7 where is the 7/7 coming from? Even if we did get into the top 24 that would be 4/7 where are the other qualities?
GGS to say you are "grinches" is being kind to you.
Would you calm down? Maybe you are used to treating ppl like that and making them look like *** but I'm not.
I am talking about coops that made only one week. As a proof that up to some point it depends on the number of weeks completed.
From completing the orders you still increase the happiness. With every bit of anything donated you still add more happiness (omg I did it myself even though I got a very low level and my stocks are depleted, I literally donated everything I had, now my animals are starving, 50 % of my farms can't produce anything right now coz it doesn't have any sources).
If you had made the "calculations" the very first week of the event, you would realize you don't have to complete all of the weeks and still would get to the end. Even more supported by the leaked info which I allow myself to remind:
And that's exactly what happened. According to this we all were to expect that only a couple of coops would make it to the special deco. Honestly, I am a bit surprised here, I expected only like 5-10 best coops to get the deco, not 24
Your quote just says what the event instructions say, that we are collecting snowflakes to increase the "quality value" of the deco & that is what I already said we should be doing. We should have moved up to a Crystal Palace (quality value 6) for completing week 4 and we should be collecting snowflakes to try to increase its quality value to 7.
Anyhow I am sure I aready said that, so this is just going around in circles & i am getting off the merry-go-round..
The weekly 100% success in the Santa event gives you the next visual upgrade.
Don't worry, after recieving the deco, you can use Greta the landscape architect to increase the quality of it just like with any other decoration e.g. here:
The previous maximum any decoration could reach with Greta used to be quality 6, but as you can see in this post below it has been increased to 7.
https://community.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/en/discussion/comment/2709573/#Comment_2709573
Final important thing, the uppermost limit happiness you can reach of a quality 7 decoration depends on its size.
If I got any of this wrong, please do correct me fellow farmers