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New terms and conditions
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Children under 13 years of age are not permitted to register. Minors over 13 years of age may only register with the permission of their legal guardians and, in the case that the respective game or service has an age rating, only after reaching the minimum age requirement. I dont know if this was the case before the change, but are you saying you will be banning all users who have openly admitted in posts to be younger than 13 years old? 8.1 Users agree to reimburse Goodgame Studios for all damages resulting from the culpable non-observance of the obligations of these terms and conditions. (...) Users shall assume the costs of Goodgame Studios' legal defense, including all court and legal fees. This condition does not apply if the user is not responsible for the infringement. This sounds a little scay, are there any lawyers among you farmers who can say whether this is a usual thing..? |
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All this is ok, and I do my best to protect my login data, identification, and passwords from third-party access among other things by using adblock and block for 3'die party cookies and 3'die Party suspicious data and scripts!
- I'm quite sure that GGS is aware that I have this Danish help page, so when GGS has not asked me to remove bigfarm-related content from the page, I suppose that GGS consider it to be sensible and beneficial to themselves to ignore my website contains elements that are in violation of copyrights.
- Else.. if GGS not can accept my homesite contains Bigfarn stuff.. just tell me, and I'll take it away.
It may not mean seriously?
First you say:
3.2.3 Users are required to protect all login data, identification, and passwords from third-party access.
And now you say we may not protect our login data against 3'rd party as good as we can?
Never mind... rule 4.5 is absolutly unacceptable for me !
I am the legal owner of this computer ! - GGS can not decide on what software I use to protect myself against hacking and unwanted advertisements !
- What wil be the next? will GGS try to forbid me to lock my door when I leave my home and perhaps also forbid me to remove the ignition key and lock my car when I leave it?
I'll give you GGS this offer as an alternative solution on this discrepancy between us: GGS lend me a a computer for free, to my use for only Bigfarm and nothing els, and then I'll promise you to comply rule 4.5 on that computer.
Note: As a matter of fact GGS lawyers are commiting High Treason against the company as strict adherence to some of these rules means the game basically closes down and GGS is out of business.
Looking forward to CM's comments on this topic.
If you would like to be completely sure, just add a message (if not there already) stating that it's a fansite, no official site created by GGS site and inform everyone about the copyright of the assets used.
We actually encourage fansites (there is a press kit that can be used for these purposes on our website).
- That's why I guess it's ok with these help sites some of us have made.
But: you forget to answer the most important part of my post;
At least I hope you have noticed that I have delivered a protest against the new rule within the 4 weeks.
- If this thread is not the right place to protest against that rule, please tell us where we then should post protest against that rule.
Let's try to figure a little bit on how much (read small) chances of getting GGS to pull the new rule 4.5 back:
When GGS talking about how many people playing Bigfarm, they talking about many thousand ( or do they count their players in millions?) people around the world.
Of course a lot of these players are spread on several servers, and as far I know in this forum we normaly only see players from the us server, the english server and the skn server...
When I look at the ranking list on the us server, it tells me there just now are 60,190 players on the us server.
The ranking list on the skn server says 10,685 players
But how many of these 70,875 players are active players?
How many of these 70,875 players are reading the forum
how many of these 70,875 players do you think have read the new rules, instead just close that information window?
If anybody ask me, I'll say: If that part of the information I have draw a red line around should looks like we have just a microscopically chance to get that rule 4.5 removed, I think GGS allready have a very high majority who accept the new rule (many thousands accepts against every one who like me say the new rule is unacceptable)
Or all this is 1 short sentence: Accept the new rule 4.5 or leave the game !!!
Well... This means, when this rules takes effect, the game is not longer that product to which I have buy gold for real money.
Because of that: When the new rules takes effect, I consider myself within my rights to request GGS repays me for the purchased gold I not have used on both the skn server and the us server. - After doing that, GGS can delete both my farms.
And what about the ones playing here that signed up through Facebook, etc. who cannot get the videos. Is not that because Facebook or the others have blocked ads?
@Briannospam, you would be a severe loss to the game and to all those for whom you translate. Would the game risk losing all of them, too?
Edited to add:
Since this game is played worldwide, I wonder if rule 4.5 is even applicable/enforceable in all countries???
I would like to add my voice to @Briannospam and @adoptapet. I protect myself in any way I can in respect of computer safety, and to be told that I cannot decide what sites I allow to access my computer is totally wrong.
@adoptapet, you make a good point about the enforceability of rule 4.5 - I will have to ask my son who is an IT Consultant in Belgium to check it out for us. And I totally agree that @Briannospam would be a great loss to all of us and hope that it never happens that he leaves us.
Edit: I would rather have a relatively small membership fee to be payable in order to NOT have advertisements in the game, as I have already played other games online that worked in this way. A nominal fee is a small price to pay for computer safety.
4.5 It is prohibited to apply measures that hide advertisements. It is of no significance whether advertising is deliberately hidden or can not be displayed in general e.g. by so-called pop-up blockers, text-based browsers, or similar.
As it says I have 4 weeks to object to this where can I object? As far as I can see there is no where to refuse the agreement.
I will continue to use my computer as I always have and that includes an ad blocker. I am pretty sure our consumer law here would not allow that part of the agreement.
Do we post our objections here or do we have to get in touch with GGS by email?
Whatever, I would like to post my objection to rule 4.5.
http://www.goodgamestudios.com/company/contact/
As for the clause itself, I am no techie, but I don`t see how GGS would know or could prove, what security people have (or not) on their computers, which would mean its not enforceable, so why is it there?..... The only reason I can think is that it has something to do with their agreement with the advertisers, maybe they have a clause that says they agree to tell their customers that they are not allowed to block the ads, it could be something as simple as that.
I agree with @farmerjohn 22 (US1) its not so much what is written, its what is enforced that matters. All TOS are full of complicated legalspeak to cover (or try to) every possible loophole that someone might find, but at the end of the day, if you are just playing the game as it is meant to be played & not hacking, cracking, abusing or exploiting anything, then you are unlikely to find yourself in court over any clause in a TOS.
The drop down menu upper left, in danish words tells me the login site is a http site - not a https site !
If you dont know the difference between http and https, just take a google search on this string:
what's the difference between http and https
The big dropdown in the middle of the top tells me I have blocked for a 3'rd party cookie (from supersonic).
3.2.3 Users are required to protect all login data, identification, and passwords from third-party access.
ok.. it seems like at this screen there have not been loaded any javascripts from supersonic or somebody else.... yet
But how can we be sure, that not with or without GGS know it, a javascript maybe some day out in the future can be placed here, eg officially to check about we using adblocker or blocking for 3'rd party materials?
It has a ( stuck in front of the http this one should work:
http://www.networkadvertising.org/choices/
IF GGS blocks or refuses to let players who have protections built into browsers, and/or such things as ad-block, I think they will lose lots and lots of potential new players. I do know a couple people who refuse to play it just because they use Flash.
Definitely not a good business plan.
This isn't legal. It's like a clinic saying that patients can not use flu medicines to avoid a trip to a doctor. These programs are attached to the browser, not the web page; and no, you do not have control over the browser as it is also used on other pages; many which may require such protection
This is Illegal, and your using this in the new agreement just shows the tremendous disdain that you hold your customers in; the arrogance, the disrespect.
You seem not to want customers with this kind of activity; all that's needed is one customer who is a lawyer to open this can of worms
Thought I'd share a last thought with you, I have played german owned games before, german law is very peculiar when it comes to online games. Basically If you have bought, or earned through watching adverts (which earns money for the company), something in a game, that legally belongs to you, and the game company cannot delete your account as they have an obligation to provide you with access to the purchased items. It is technically theft if they delete your account.
Rule 4.5 canot be applied if you watch a single advert.......
The other german game company provided a completely seperate system to earn game items, therefore making it a players choice if they wanted to access that system. They also had thousands upon thousands of inactive accounts which couldn't be removed, and although they finally merged servers to fix that problem you can still today have your inactive account reactivated if you earned in game items from ads.
Rule 4.5: Anonymous is legion and never forgives.
As for 'rule 4.5' - this rule has been in place for as long as the game is existing. The wording may have changed a little, but it has always been there, saying the exact same thing with exactly the same consequences. Apparently no one noticed it before.