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Upcoming Event - Santa's Wish List - Your questions and comments

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  • Brave Ana (GB1)Brave Ana (GB1) GB1 Posts: 254
    Santa's wish list!

    But, maybe will be more surprises from GGS in this period (I don't mention here Northern farm) like:

    Co-op championship, maybe Adventure time (UFO or Mysterious Asia (however tomorrow is Tuesday)).
  • This Santa is greedy creature, his wishlist is ... i thought that his wishlist will be symbolic, because holidays are for giving, not taking. Greedy, greedy Santa!
  • CM Nafaru said:
    First results of our data analysis show that some users have already almost finished their first order, just some hours after starting the event - without spending a single gold coin, even as a high level player.

    Or maybe they were just lucky with their orders? They have highest possible barns for their level already stocked with asked items?

    the balancing issue might come from adjusting the difficulty to player level instead to his barn size i.e My barns are not maxed so i have less storage than someone else on my level of xp, and to upgrade i need an architect (he comes once in blue moon, and stay for few hours, and i'm always building something else).

    While we're not expecting that everyone has all their production facilities maxed out with the architect, we do expect players at certain levels to have certain facilities, though.

    Being above level 100 and only having one olive orchard, for instance, is a playstyle decision that we cannot balance our orders towards. If you actively decide to only have a few or none of these facilities you should also take into account that you might have to buy some goods for events. (Think donkeys, we know some players don't have any but they might be asked for in any event!). 
    It is obvious that ggs has given easy orders to at least a few people they can derive their analysis from. So, while they do notice what is happening, the conclusion that they are drawing from all the feedback is that the entire event is very possible because a few people are managing to fill orders. At least mostly fill the orders at this point. All players are being compared to those players that got EASY contracts. 

    So, what we need, is a bit of perspective - seeing that not all of us have the ability to analyze in an overview of who is succeeding at this event.

    So, my thoughts are that those that find this event "easy" are using gold, seaweed, maxed blue barns, and are HIGH level players.

    I'd like to know if there are players succeeding without gold, seaweed, maxed blue barns, and are NOT HIGH level players? My guess is that there are none. But if ggs chooses to balance the game out, my guess is that those succeeding will be the new fulcrum of the scales of the ggs "balancing" act.

    I am just level 122, but I have no idea whether it is considered a high level or not. I'm not participating in the event at all, never intended to. From the response of, "... We cannot give any universal answer to this ... " and "Analyses have not been conducted with as much detail, however heavy seaweed usage was not reported." and the conclusive,

    • "I do realize that "panic" might have been the wrong term here. And I would like to apologize if any offense was taken. 
    • As I said, the point I was trying to make is that we need level-headed assessments of the situation, clear examples of what is feasible or not. Clear statements about what bugs you with the event, and so on and so forth. 
    • There seem to be a lot of variables to be taken into account. Our summary of comments contains several points being made, ranging from general loss of dollars over orders that are too hard to fulfill during the Christmas season to the decoration just not feeling worth the effort. 
    • So keep the comments going, we're definitely interested in all the aspects that you like or don't like about the event!"

    Um, yeah, so how people initially feel when discovering the FUN event hyped about is discounted as "panic" and babblings of those without a clear and level head. It seems to me that ggs can create the hype, but can't use their much proclaimed tools of analysis to deduce when people say,

    "The amounts are already beyond hard and this is week one and allegedly the easiest week"

    "I need to harvest 80hours to complete 1st week in game... impossible, lets forget this failure.
    Of course with gold it would be different but..."

    "It looks like the least damage you can do to the co-op is not to start this scheme, starting makes it worse, quitting the co-op makes it worse but not starting is still a negative -- in other words blackmail"

    "And what about this insanity: over 37k apples, and then over 5000 apple turnovers??? Where the hell will i find apples required for apple turnovers if i give all my apples away?"

    "GGS - you absolutely surpassed yourself with his list.  SHAME~!

    I have this also for my list:  37230 apples and 6160 apple pies, so I think mine is worse."

    "SO when this started, the first of my three farms I just donated everything I had which clearly was a very costly mistake.   Stuff could have been better spent in the market, or ship, or my own farm.   THEN I looked at just how much is needed.  OMG!  INSANE amounts."

    "I think this is just another event for the gold buyers to show us how hard they work (clicking on their 'buy gold' buttons) !"

    "just a fraction of my list includes donating 2000 honey cream at a cost of 4,000,000 dollars, I haven't worked out the whole cost of my first list, BUT is this really worth doing for a decoration?  if this is the cost of the first list what are the harder lists going to cost not just for the individual but for the co-op as a whole, please don't say there are extra gifts on reaching  higher happiness I have seen those and they are pitiful, I don't know why but I have a feeling that the numbers of items we will need in later levels will be so high that  gold will have to be used to complete lists maybe that is a bit cynical on my part but I think we all know how GGS work lol this santa I feel will get very  greedy and loose his xmas spirit lol"


    the above are all valid opinions. This is what you get when you allow feedback for all your brilliantly timed and quite questionable gifts to those from many different walks of life and ages looking for some FUN, and stress relief. The feedback is just as honest as the ggs response should be. I didn't see any deserved swear words. Reactions, yes, but those are just as valid as information provided by those willing to whip out a calculator. Especially considering how shocked your players were, it is understandable that people interested in playing a GAME and having FUN might not want to, nor have the time to start utilizing spreadsheet skills when ggs themselves often provide evasive, unmeaningful and obtuse quips such as "We cannot give any universal answer to this". 

    Maybe this will be more useful to you. I have not bought gold for months. I do not intend to buy any gold for the foreseeable future because this game seems more and more about getting people to chain themselves to their computers for a GAME. I have other stuff I've put off, or cancelled, or been late to for this game and I'm just not doing it any longer. Nor am I participating in a game that makes it clear that the objective is just to spend money on something that is online and could possibly disappear in the morning. Some money spent would be okay, but the need to watch out for money pitfalls at every turn is so off-putting and rather disgusting.

    There are kids that play this game and I'm sure you are doing the world a great service by teaching kids these days that GREED is paramount to anything else.
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273

    @ gavinfarms - it doesn't matter what they need, you will get completely new order if you have to help them i.e. they can't complete apples, but you'll be asked to donate wheat instead


    I hope this can't possibly be true- Steffi, please clarify.
  • Mira (US1)Mira (US1) Posts: 103
    CM Nafaru said:
    Maybe this will be more useful to you. I have not bought gold for months. I do not intend to buy any gold for the foreseeable future because this game seems more and more about getting people to chain themselves to their computers for a GAME. I have other stuff I've put off, or cancelled, or been late to for this game and I'm just not doing it any longer. Nor am I participating in a game that makes it clear that the objective is just to spend money on something that is online and could possibly disappear in the morning. Some money spent would be okay, but the need to watch out for money pitfalls at every turn is so off-putting and rather disgusting
    I've got to agree with all of the above.  I haven't actually played this game that long, but I bought quite a bit of gold for a first time player last month.  However, given all the problems with the game and the fact that not a single one of my many support tickets has received ANY answer in 6 weeks, I won't be purchasing any more gold in this game.  That was a very easy decision.

    I have played a lot of games of all types and this was fun in the beginning but has easily become the most tedious, time consuming, and unrewarding game I've ever played.  That's saying quite a lot.  I opted out of this event because I have no desire to commit myself to participating in some 5 week grind for some deco when the holidays are about becoming increasingly busy in real life.  I'm so glad I did from the comments above.  There's so much overload of events that are far beyond what a reasonable amount of time commitment would be for a casual game that I have no hesitation in simply walking away.

    Thanks, but no thanks.  There are other options out there that actually provide stress RELIEF and entertainment.
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    edited 23.11.2015
    New BIG Question-

    I am asking this, because I have coop members ardently taking both sides, so I want to be clear.

    If I have an order for 5000 apples.  IF I start to fill it but  don't complete it and no else does, and it expires with less than 5000 apples........Is there....

    A: a penalty toward the happiness of the deco
    B: nothing toward the deco and all the apples are simply lost
    C: something else - if so please explain.
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    CM Nafaru said:

    While we're not expecting that everyone has all their production facilities maxed out with the architect, we do expect players at certain levels to have certain facilities, though.

    Being above level 100 and only having one olive orchard, for instance, is a playstyle decision that we cannot balance our orders towards. If you actively decide to only have a few or none of these facilities you should also take into account that you might have to buy some goods for events. (Think donkeys, we know some players don't have any but they might be asked for in any event!).

    CM Nafaru said:
    Almost everybody here is complaining about the quantity of goods that are demanded. Yet, there is hardly any answer on that by Nafaru. This is an insane event. I will stop participating in it right now and I will advice all other members of my cooperation to do so too.
    Just to get some silly decoration you have to get bankrupt or buy lots of gold. I play this game for fun, not to get a heart disease because of the stress.
    I take my loss on the goods that I have donated, and carry on playing the game as I used to.
    We're already passing on your feedback regarding the amount of goods asked for each order.

    However, the event has only been active for 3 hours now. There is still plenty time to gather all those required goods. While the numbers may seem big at first, you shouldn't just fall into panic mode blindly or be led to conclusions by some orders that seem to be impossible to fulfill.

    Please take a look at your farms, check what you would be able to produce given your playstyle, amount of time available to play and production facilities and see for yourself if it is possible or not to finish your order.

    Every cooperative has room to fail 1 week. This should give you enough freedom to try a strategy and change it if needed, once you see that too many members won't be able to fulfill the orders.

    There are plenty of options (sacrificing some happiness to secure a visual upgrade, recruiting more members by the beginning of the week to help out on Sunday, etc etc.). Please try to find your personal strategy while we pass on your feedback and conduct analyses on feasibility of all orders.

    'If you only manage to finish one or more orders partially, you will have to start that week over. '

    What exactly does this mean? Will the products we already donated be lost or will they count in towards the goal? Do we have to start the same thing again from scratch? (i.e. goal is 5000, i donate 4999 and fail, next week do i have the same order starting from 0? )
    The goods wouldn't be lost, since you already upgrade the happiness of the decoration and that progress is carried over.
    However, weekly orders will reset after 7 days and might ask for different products - no matter if you finish the step successfully or not, the order will change after 1 week.

    This isn't about playstyle or strategy, I see it more as an insult to our intelligence making us waste millions of farm dollars worth of goods for a VERY average prize. A 7 by 7 decoration of 135 happiness can be bought from a temporary farm for much less money and effort. All I see here as a new GGS scheme that cripples farm progress especially with players below level 100 and I think this is one of the worst updates I have seen in this game since I started playing.
  • I, too, am disappointed in this event.  Participating takes away almost all sources of revenue for the farmer to try to fill orders which are in some cases unfillable.  I'm trying to participate, but after donating some pricey items, I find myself far from completion. Just too costly.
  • @gavinfarms (US1)

    CM Nafaru said:

    When we are able to help co-op members finish their orders, will we be able to help will all of the orders they had or just the last one? For example, if Player A couldn't finish their order for the first week but completed the others would we be able to help fill the order from the first week?


    HOWEVER(!) this does not mean that a level 100 player could just donate 500 corn for a level 20 player and everything would be done. Numbers will scale up depending on player level and requested good may change.
    This means you will have to make up for % of their missing goods by donating an amount of goods that is scaled to your player level to keep the same difficulty for everyone helping. 
    There was more on this but I can't find it now ... (basically this was implemented so that even low level players can help high levels, cause they maybe don't have flower farm things and such..)

    For your other question - produce will not be 'lost' it will count toward happiness level but you will not be able to get to the next level of visual upgrade for the decoration. All of this was already discussed, but there is so much text in this topic it is really hard to go trough it all. 
  • Michiru (GB1)Michiru (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,239
    edited 23.11.2015
    If I have an order for 5000 apples.  IF I start to fill it but  don't complete it and no else does, and it expires with less than 5000 apples........Is there....
    A: a penalty toward the happiness of the deco
    B: nothing toward the deco and all the apples are simply lost
    Nafaru answered this, look here: (link below holds ALL OF NAFARU'S INFO from previous pages in one post ;))
    https://community.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/en/discussion/comment/2712515/#Comment_2712515
    CM Nafaru said:
    The goods wouldn't be lost, since you already upgrade the happiness of the decoration and that progress is carried over. However, weekly orders will reset after 7 days and might ask for different products - no matter if you finish the step successfully or not, the order will change after 1 week. Now if one or more contracts aren't fulfilled completely, you could make up for some extent, but you won't unlock the next visual stage and the base happiness wouldn't be added either, leaving you with a decoration that is not optimal
  • jess_d (US1)jess_d (US1) US1 Posts: 3,515
    edited 23.11.2015

    @ gavinfarms - it doesn't matter what they need, you will get completely new order if you have to help them i.e. they can't complete apples, but you'll be asked to donate wheat instead


    I hope this can't possibly be true- Steffi, please clarify.


    Yea this is true. We won't know what we will have to donate to help our fellow members until Sunday.


    CM Nafaru said:
    Ah, each order consists of a list of goods you need to donate. All at once, not subsequent donations over the course of the week.

    Let's take an example. This could be a list (number of requests will be more than 3, requested amounts will of course differ):

    Chicken Feed - 100/100 donated
    Corn - 500/1,000 donated
    Cabbage - 500/500 donated

    In that case only 50% of corn was donated and the order is fulfilled by ~83%. The remaining 17% for the whole order (50% of the list item corn) can then be compensated by other members.

    HOWEVER(!) this does not mean that a level 100 player could just donate 500 corn for a level 20 player and everything would be done. Numbers will scale up depending on player level and requested good may change.
    This means you will have to make up for 17% of their missing goods by donating an amount of goods that is scaled to your player level to keep the same difficulty for everyone helping.

    Example behind the spoiler for those interested:

    Let's say the level 20 player has donated 500/1,000 corn. A level 100 player wants to help them out on Last Chance Sunday (day 7).

    The game could then ask you to deliver e.g. dandelions instead of corn (because you have progressed significantly farther) and would request 5,000/10,000 dandelion. Again 50 % of that list item is complete, but numbers and requested goods have been adjusted to player level.

    These are examples with made up numbers, just to show how it will look. Not every request will show replaced goods, but it might happen.

    I hope I didn't confuse everyone more than needed now. ;)



    Click on the little orange box above to see an example.
  • Example:
    You have an order for 5.000 corn but only could donate 2.500. You coop member who wants to help you on Sunday could then be asked to donate 8.000 dandelions (instead of those 2.500 corn) to finish your order. And only has 1 day to do so!! (these are only fictitious figures of course).

    Something to keep in mind.


    what ?!  I didn't know this... well that makes matters even worse
    @gavinfarms (US1)  found it ! with my reaction too :D
  • RunsWivScissors (GB1)RunsWivScissors (GB1) GB1 Posts: 6,633
    edited 24.11.2015
    New BIG Question-

    I am asking this, because I have coop members ardently taking both sides, so I want to be clear.

    If I have an order for 5000 apples.  IF I start to fill it but  don't complete it and no else does, and it expires with less than 5000 apples........Is there....

    A: a penalty toward the happiness of the deco
    B: nothing toward the deco and all the apples are simply lost
    C: something else - if so please explain.
    The announcements says.........

    As soon as the first donation is made towards an order, this order has to be finished 100%. The cooperative will only be eligible for upcoming event steps and associated rewards  when every member’s orders are fulfilled completely (100%).*

    So if you end the week with an incomplete order, you have to repeat that week again, instead of moving on to the next deco.
    Post edited by RunsWivScissors (GB1) on
  • FarmerBlack (US1)FarmerBlack (US1) Posts: 58
    edited 25.11.2015

    Most of my Wish List items appear fairly doable so I decided to try filling them to see if indeed we have to fill 100% of all the items, or if there is some buffer built into the list such as you don't have to fill a feed, essence or pie order completely to still reach 100% status for the week. If it comes down to actually having to fill my 6,160 Apple Pies then I guess I won't be finishing this step...and with 18 of our 20 members AWOL for months (including our leader) there is no chance of help coming from other members to save the two of us that are still playing (I am the only one currently in the event).

    I agree with the other comments about the requested amounts being totally outrageous, especially the special manufactured items such as from the Bakery, Flower Shop, Feed Mills and Distillery; those items take too long or are such an integral part of the rest of the farming experience in this game (and most cannot be purchased in the store) that it becomes unreasonable to expect any individual to get close enough to filling those orders that would even allow other co-op members to attempt to finish them off. So not only do those orders drain the barn and slow or stop farm functions of the individual, but would potentially do the same for multiple other members of the co-op that don't even have that item on order...yet...and if that item does pop up later they will have even less means of filling it than the member they helped in the first place.

    So far it does seem like this event is going to put undo pressure on players and co-ops alike during this busy holiday season. The old way of finding the ornaments at least kept any possible failure of completion upon the individual, but this version makes any "failing" individual a burden on the entire co-op...not cool! [There is enough shame and blame going around in the real world, there is no reason to introduce that possibility into a game like this.] I can just imagine the flood of long-standing members being kicked out of or leaving their co-ops (at least for the duration of the event) because they have plans during parts of the holiday season, just so that their non-participation doesn't reduce the chances of the co-op deco reaching it's highest potential happiness and advanced look. This should be bringing co-op members together for the holidays not pushing them apart.

    And as for Sunday being the only day during which you can help your fellow co-op members... how about allowing it on all the days of the week? Not everybody is free to play online computer games on Sundays, and I am a member of that demographic, so that means that I can't help other members even if I have the goods and wish to do so? Also not cool!

    The deco reward...it may look special but it seems very low grade for happiness. It started off at 10 happy (really? I mean...really?). Now I am at 72% on week1 donations and it has only gone up to 11.769 happy. I could have purchased 10 times that in happiness with a lot less than the farmcash I lost for the products I donated so far. The basic deco should at least give what the old holiday decos gave, but for the size it should be more, not less than a Flower Bed that a level 3 player can purchase.

    UPDATE: Now at 87% on week1 and still only at 11.926 happiness; and it is looking like I will be required to fill the rest of the Aloe Vera and Apple Pies that I am still trying to produce in order to reach the 100% with no buffer in site.

    Post edited by FarmerBlack (US1) on
  • Just for the record.  Brat Pack is not participating in this event either. There may be a few who choose to do some things on their own and we certainly dont discourage them from that, but we feel it will drain our members ability to successfully build their farms for such small prizes and a deco that is too big for our playing strategy. This event was most anticipated but it has been equally disappointing.  It appears to be more of a marketing strategy rather than a rewarding one for its members. We will not be spending gold on this event (as some have foolishly assumed).  We all love challenges but not ones that have glitches and unsatisfactory rewards for the high level of achievers both in this coop and many other coops regardless of size and ability.  We expect better things out of a company that has been around long enough to know better. 

    Brat Pack

    Vote Studbuzzrd for President  "For the coop, by the coop" hehehehe



  • ETA:  co-op members don't have the same list...so help can happen.  still wrapping my mind around this one
    I've been thinking about this too Jo Jo.  Perhaps we should stop thinking about our individual lists and compare lists with our fellow coop members.  This is supposed to be a team event, so maybe the idea is for us to complete each list, but as a team.  BabaZeba and I only overlap on olives;  the rest of our lists are completely different.  If I think about both our lists as a group list rather than 2 individual lists the donations are less daunting.  Perhaps larger coops could team up people to work on lists together?

    Just thinking out-loud ...  Merry Christmas Everyone!!!
  • I will  not be playing. it your gold money grabbing event. most of our coop has opted out of playing  the amounts are crazy
  • To CM Popeye - ok so I have a question - when it says you can choose to skip a donation and it won't affect the coop going to the next level.... does this mean you cannot donate anything in the list at all???? is the 100% needed for the whole list or just each thing you start in the list... idk if i'm making any sense but I don't know how else to put my question! LOL

    CM Popeye,

    I never saw an answer to Tiggergirl77's comment and thought you may have overlooked it (you have made a comment since this was asked is the only reason I say that). I would very much like to know if what they are asking is the case.

    Tigger, you made perfect sense. I needed the same question answered and you worded it perfectly.


    Thank you Maddox - I checked and have yet to get an answer - but I think I figured it out anyways - and unfortunately I think it is that you *cannot* start to fill ANY of the order list at all.... this event stinks - esp since it is during a very festive holiday season and it's not getting anyone in the spirit of things..... :( Very disappointing GGS!! :(

    I *SO* like the seek and find events for holidays better!!!!! Esp since we just came off a Coop Event (the Challenge which still needs to be fixed!) .... lol well, I hope peeps have fun whatever they decide to do! and Have a Happy Thanksgiving this week!
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    OK- based on the Nafaru corn example, riddle me this:

    If a high, level 200 player has to fill an order of 5000 fruit cakes, and for whatever reason fills only 2000 fruit cakes.  Will a smaller player be able to help with less items?
  • yes, that's the whole point as they say - they would get order appropriate to their level BUT there is only one day to do it ...

    i don't know, this whole event is just weird imo ...
  • Mira (US1)Mira (US1) Posts: 103


    ETA:  co-op members don't have the same list...so help can happen.  still wrapping my mind around this one
    I've been thinking about this too Jo Jo.  Perhaps we should stop thinking about our individual lists and compare lists with our fellow coop members.  This is supposed to be a team event, so maybe the idea is for us to complete each list, but as a team.  BabaZeba and I only overlap on olives;  the rest of our lists are completely different.  If I think about both our lists as a group list rather than 2 individual lists the donations are less daunting.  Perhaps larger coops could team up people to work on lists together?

    Just thinking out-loud ...  Merry Christmas Everyone!!!
    No, this won't work either.  IF a member needs help on the last day, the help required by other members will not be the same as the original unfilled list.  Instead, it will be the percentage of missing items scaled to the donor's level and production abilities.  So in the example they gave on the EN forum, if someone is missing 2,000 corn, you could be asked for 5,000 dandelions instead.  And this would be for a single day's production.
  • gavinfarms (US1)gavinfarms (US1) US1 Posts: 2,273
    Now this...

    If I have orders all filled. Every single one done, and I want to "excessively donate" to add point to the deco.........
    Does donating 1 fruit cake have more power than donating one corn or are they equal in their power?
  • I do apologize to the Brat Pack for assuming they were going to spend gold on this event.  But then again I have never seen a leopard change its spots so the assumption is justified.  
  • Farmer Loki (US1)Farmer Loki (US1) Posts: 125
    edited 23.11.2015

    I *SO* like the seek and find events for holidays better!!!!! Esp since we just came off a Coop Event (the Challenge which still needs to be fixed!) .... lol well, I hope peeps have fun whatever they decide to do! and Have a Happy Thanksgiving this week!

    I HOPE this is the only event that is like this---I too love the seek and find events for the holidays, and also when you just have to get all the things that randomly come out of your fields, orchards and stables when collecting things in order to get your reward decoration. It was something to look forward to that I could accomplish in a week's time without any hardships involving depleting all of my products, as well as not requiring me to spend 24/7 on here like this current stupid event. I HOPE that they don't make the Halloween, Easter and other holiday events a money-grabbing impossible event like this, or guess I won't be participating in ANY of the holiday "events", i.e. money grabs during any of the holidays ever again---this whole Christmas event debacle is deplorable. 


    The fact that even the Brat Pack--the #1 and biggest co op on Big Farm---is NOT participating in this stupid event is more proof of how bad this whole thing is--they don't even want to waste their money and time on it. That tells ME a whole lot when the top co op on here is saying NO WAY. The whole situation ruins any possible holiday spirit on Big Farm----phhhhht. Like someone else on here already---Scrooge would be proud of GG. Hey, GG---BAH HUMBUG. 

  • BriannospamGame (SKN1)BriannospamGame (SKN1) Posts: 1,803
    edited 23.11.2015


    This isn't about playstyle or strategy, I see it more as an insult to our intelligence making us waste millions of farm dollars worth of goods for a VERY average prize. A 7 by 7 decoration of 135 happiness can be bought from a temporary farm for much less money and effort. All I see here as a new GGS scheme that cripples farm progress especially with players below level 100 and I think this is one of the worst updates I have seen in this game since I started playing.
    I almost agree with you here Gizmo, but not quite. :)

    The worst updates until now are the videos!
    The Video function have no opt out !  (unless you like me use adblocker and some special setup in your browser)

    At least this Santa event have an opt out by that way, if you don't start donating anything you done loose anything and (if I have unbdestand things correct) you not eigher harm your coop when you never start donating anything.
  • FarmerMarkD (US1)FarmerMarkD (US1) US1 Posts: 119
    Thanks Studbuzzrd for posting on behalf of the Brat Pack. As a co-leader of the Pack, I want to mention that several of our members had started participating in this event before realizing the large requirements/small rewards aspect. Personally, this first "easy" week is asking me for items that I could sell for almost $5m! Not only that, but in order to make those items, I'd have to stop filling many of the market orders and completely change production on my farm. I'd be cash poor at the end of the first week, with no chance to build up stock for whatever comes the second week. This just doesn't make sense to me. I'm just happy so many of our members were on line today before me and figured out what a gigantic rip off this event is. They saved me from "donating" any products. As a whole, the Brat Pack is not participating. And I don't appreciate the digs we are getting in this and other threads. If you want someone to blame, try blaming GGS instead of the top coop. 
  • Ugh, I didn't realize we could donate more than what was required
    Santa wanted 220 duck feed, and I put in everything I had (1567 feed), assuming it'd deduct the 220, and leave me with the remaining 1347.

    It's going to take me weeks to build up my duck feed again -__-
    Plus the last thing Santa's asking for on my list I can't even make without having to build the items required first.
  • Farmer Loki (US1)Farmer Loki (US1) Posts: 125
    edited 23.11.2015
    Thanks Studbuzzrd for posting on behalf of the Brat Pack. As a co-leader of the Pack, I want to mention that several of our members had started participating in this event before realizing the large requirements/small rewards aspect. Personally, this first "easy" week is asking me for items that I could sell for almost $5m! Not only that, but in order to make those items, I'd have to stop filling many of the market orders and completely change production on my farm. I'd be cash poor at the end of the first week, with no chance to build up stock for whatever comes the second week. This just doesn't make sense to me. I'm just happy so many of our members were on line today before me and figured out what a gigantic rip off this event is. They saved me from "donating" any products. As a whole, the Brat Pack is not participating. And I don't appreciate the digs we are getting in this and other threads. If you want someone to blame, try blaming GGS instead of the top coop. 

     EXACTLY!! I I started filling orders before I realized it's IMPOSSIBLE without halfway bankrupting myself and starving all my farm critters. I unfortunately spent almost a million dollars worth of my products before I figured it out...an expensive lesson, but at least one I won't be repeating. Will see if I can get my fellow co op members to opt out of this as well, because it's a fool's errand. Hats off to the Brat Pack for showing the rest of us that we don't have to be a bunch of sheep and play this event just because it's there.
  • FarmerBlack (US1)FarmerBlack (US1) Posts: 58
    edited 23.11.2015
    To CM Popeye - ok so I have a question - when it says you can choose to skip a donation and it won't affect the coop going to the next level.... does this mean you cannot donate anything in the list at all???? is the 100% needed for the whole list or just each thing you start in the list... idk if i'm making any sense but I don't know how else to put my question! LOL

    CM Popeye,

    I never saw an answer to Tiggergirl77's comment and thought you may have overlooked it (you have made a comment since this was asked is the only reason I say that). I would very much like to know if what they are asking is the case.

    Tigger, you made perfect sense. I needed the same question answered and you worded it perfectly.


    Thank you Maddox - I checked and have yet to get an answer - but I think I figured it out anyways - and unfortunately I think it is that you *cannot* start to fill ANY of the order list at all.... this event stinks - esp since it is during a very festive holiday season and it's not getting anyone in the spirit of things..... :( Very disappointing GGS!! :(


    This is also part of the official announcement:
    "...they can skip the respective order. However, this also means that the final reward will not reach its full happiness potential**."

    That sounds as though even if a member does not participate his/her membership still impacts the cooperative in a negative way; the event is using his/her account as part of the calculations requiring a percentage of X number of co-op potential steps to be completed before Y happiness is added to the deco. So for example: assuming all co-op members are of the same game level, if a co-op of 2 players is able to complete all their steps they would gain the same amount of happiness for their deco as a co-op of 60 would by doing the same, but it's much more difficult to guarantee all 60 will be able to complete all of their steps even with help, and less than the full 60 participating will lower the happiness potential of the 60-member co-op by 1.7% for each member not participating. That leads to the conclusion that the only true way of eliminating non-participating members from the equation, allowing for full potential upgrade of the deco, they would have to be eliminated from the co-op, either by voluntarily leaving or getting thrown out prior to the end of the first week step. Is that really what a co-op, and this season, is all about? Definitely not something I think this game should be promoting.

  • Fawners (US1)Fawners (US1) US1 Posts: 436
    Ugh - yet another disappointment from GGS.  


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