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  • Larino (INT1)Larino (INT1) Posts: 4,572
    edited 20.09.2015
    I never said we should keep the like and lol and whatever. Or the badges. All useless in my opinion. The only thing that is useful (besides quote) is flag. With flag we can actually do something, make sure people do not see inappropriate messages directly and guard children from the filth that happened on the old forums. It went on for days, during a weekend, and there were no mods or CM's do instantly delete it. Some of those filthy pictures were up for hours. Anybody remember? Well THAT is what flag is for. And the rest? Meh. Get rid of it, misuse it, use it, do whatever you want with it. I don't care any more. It is all useless and out of context now anyway!

    Edit: yes I did say they can click like or walk away from the argument, that did NOT mean I want to keep the like. That was more in the situation we have now, ignore the disagree button and walk away or click like. I am all for getting rid of everything alltogether!
  • I never said we should keep the like and lol and whatever. Or the badges. All useless in my opinion. The only thing that is useful (besides quote) is flag. With flag we can actually do something, make sure people do not see inappropriate messages directly and guard children from the filth that happened on the old forums. It went on for days, during a weekend, and there were no mods or CM's do instantly delete it. Some of those filthy pictures were up for hours. Anybody remember? Well THAT is what flag is for. And the rest? Meh. Get rid of it, misuse it, use it, do whatever you want with it. I don't care any more. It is all useless and out of context now anyway!

    Edit: yes I did say they can click like or walk away from the argument, that did NOT mean I want to keep the like. That was more in the situation we have now, ignore the disagree button and walk away or click like. I am all for getting rid of everything alltogether!
    I agree, but I've seen people abuse the "flag" option too. I have one "spam" so far from something I posted on my forum profile's wall. It wasn't even on the forum and wasn't spam either.

  • Larino (INT1)Larino (INT1) Posts: 4,572
    I agree, but I've seen people abuse the "flag" option too. I have one "spam" so far from something I posted on my forum profile's wall. It wasn't even on the forum and wasn't spam either.

    Okay, I understand. My point is that the flag button does have a purpose. And they should not abuse it, I agree (see, without clicking the damn button I agreed!), maybe the mods can do something about that?

    But that disagree button (or any of the others) do not have a purpose in my opinion. Why click a simple button and stay anonymous while you can quote and type you agree and put your name under it!
  • The dislike/disagree button no more creates bad feelings then the 'like/agree' button.

    So let me recap... I don't dislike the idea of getting rid of the disagree button.... but I disagree that it will help in any way, without getting rid of the agree as well.  I dislike having ANY simple click response, like/dislike/agree/disagree... including the LOL button, which is harmless.... but since I never look at those I will never know if you LOL'd at my post unless you actually post it...  and I want to know... but only if you LOL'd enough to bother to type it out.  :)

    -Y
    I disagree with that statement & I will tell you why I disagree with it (rather than clicking a button and walking away leaving you wondering) It is annoying to not know what you said that someone disagreed with. If you wrote a long post, did they diagree with it all or one line? I have seen people disagree with a question....How can you disagree with a question??? I have a disagree for asking someone about the "Nestle Baby" video ads, because they said they would buy a Cadbury baby instead, which to me sounded like someone was selling chocolate babies & I found that funny. - Now maybe someone disagreed with me finding that funny, maybe it was the idea of chocolate babies, maybe, maybe maybe....as they didn`t post anything, you just get left to wonder exactly what did they diagree with?

    A lot of your post  talks about "dislikes" & I agree that is worse than disagree, but since we don`t have a dislike button, not sure what that was all for, but I do agree with your last statement, that they should just get rid of them all. Though I have no strong objection to the others, they are just fluff imo, if you want to collect badges join the scouts/guides, posting in a forum isn`t meant to be a competition.
  • jess_d (US1)jess_d (US1) US1 Posts: 3,515

    @Larino Yes I remember. You can't unsee that! The CMs came online during the weekend to clean up the forums and block that guy but he would not stop. Nasty images were posted all over the forum for all to see! During that time the flag option was brought up so that if it ever happened again enough players could block/hide the post to prevent kids from seeing it (Yes kids did see that) until the CMs or Mods could get online to delete the posts. Now we have that option and I'm glad we do! Even if someone abuses the flag option by creating a bunch of accounts to target someone the CMs can find out and ban those accounts if need be.

    Also, at some point the suggestion was brought up about adding a Like button. I don't recall anyone asking for a disagree button but I could be wrong. There have been times that I liked someone's post but didn't really have anything to add other than creating a post just to say "I like your post" but then that's creating unnecessary posts for the players, CMs, & Mods to go through. If I disagree with someone rather than just clicking a button to show someone disagrees but no one knows who or why I could explain why I disagree. Let's say Player A wants to add Feature X to the game and I agree with their idea but I don't have anything to add to it I could just click agree. I may come back later and post some ideas if I have any but either way I'm showing support for their idea. Now let's say I disagree with their idea, I can post explaining why I disagree or why Feature X may not be necessary in the game instead of just clicking a button to make someone feel bad.

    Clearly someone is using the disagree button to upset people. So, I suggest we either get rid of the disagree button or show the names of the ones who disagree, like, LOL, or whatever. I think the anonymous disagreeing to bug people would stop if everyone can see who is doing it. We need to be kind to each other & try to have a peaceful community.

    I don't know about you guys, but my head is spinning from reading disagree, dislike, agree, and like too many times! :D

  • If disagree gets put too many times it should have a warning for after 5 dissagrees so you get banned from that button for 5-10 minutes depending on stage.
  • Just like what was brought up on facebook...
  • Larino (INT1)Larino (INT1) Posts: 4,572
    I think we have only one option though, @jess_d (US1) . Showing the names will boil down to deleting the disagree button as well. If people can see who disagreed they will definitely go over and ask why. So people that use the button will either have to come up with a reason or they will be called out to come up with a reason. And if they have to come up with a reason in another post anyway, that disagree button is useless again. 
  • farmerjohn 22 (US1)farmerjohn 22 (US1) US1 Posts: 37,770
    edited 20.09.2015
    Well, before I gave my honest opinion in this thread I had ZERO disagrees and I now have 2 from this thread.
    I certainly hope the COWARD who did that gets the same from someone else.  :p 
  • PINJO1986 (NL1)PINJO1986 (NL1) NL1 Posts: 1,852
    The moderators have the option to remove the likes , Agrees, LOLs and disagreements.

    If you disagree with a disagreement that someone made send me a message about the disagreement and i will look into it and remove it when it is really unnecessary to disagree with that post.
  • PINJO1986 schrieb:
    The moderators have the option to remove the likes , Agrees, LOLs and disagreements.

    If you disagree with a disagreement that someone made send me a message about the disagreement and i will look into it and remove it when it is really unnecessary to disagree with that post.
    I have now understood correctly?

    the mods can reviews as like lols and disagrees remove?

    lg, Eis
  • PINJO1986 said:
    The moderators have the option to remove the likes , Agrees, LOLs and disagreements.

    If you disagree with a disagreement that someone made send me a message about the disagreement and i will look into it and remove it when it is really unnecessary to disagree with that post.
    so the disagree button also can make more work for the moderators too...
  • so the disagree button also can make more work for the moderators too.

    i agree..

    this statement by Pinjo will help but maybe our discussion in the German forum. since we have the same goal
  • PINJO1986 said:
    The moderators have the option to remove the likes , Agrees, LOLs and disagreements.

    If you disagree with a disagreement that someone made send me a message about the disagreement and i will look into it and remove it when it is really unnecessary to disagree with that post.

    Thanks for the offer but I just don't know if it is worth it.  Every time I come to the forum my count has gone up more.    I see it as a way to run good mods off because they will get overwhelmed with the # of posts reported to review due the childish actions of a few people. 
  • jess_d (US1)jess_d (US1) US1 Posts: 3,515
    PINJO1986 said:
    The moderators have the option to remove the likes , Agrees, LOLs and disagreements.

    If you disagree with a disagreement that someone made send me a message about the disagreement and i will look into it and remove it when it is really unnecessary to disagree with that post.


    Thanks Pinjo! If you look at page one of this thread you will see disagrees on almost every post. I sent a message to Latten & Nafaru about this issue so I'm sure/hopeful they will find a resolution ASAP.

    Also, I just noticed I went down from 5 disagrees to 4.......Is the anonymous disagree-er getting nervous?

  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    Hullo :)

    So where do I start? First of all, the "disagree" button is supposed to be just a fun way to participate within a discussion. It's of course not meant to be a trolling tool, and I'm almost entirely sure that it won't be, eventually - after the initial check of what people can get away with, of course :D 

    Don't take a "disagree" personal, because it isn't. I am aware of the potential of misuse at the moment, but I'm also sure that this is only because the Forum (and these functions) are new and we're not used to it yet.
    "Disagree" is, just like "Like" or "LOL", one way of participating without posting, or to show a quick reaction towards a specific post. It's not inherently bad, far from it, it can be a great tool to see quick feedback about a particular post of yours (and others).

    I'm absolutely sure there is value in this, even if there are currently a handful of people using it for the wrong reasons. That can be somewhat annoying, but hey, don't worry about it. I'm sure that will change over time, and it won't take long until you have a big number of positive feedback icons, so the occasional troll "disagree" won't bother you anymore, anyway.
    Actually, we're all way better of just enjoying the agrees, likes and "LOL" laughs we get and using all of this feedback to make the forum a great place to be for everyone :) 

    All of this said, we will of course keep an eye on this.

    Anyway, have fun everyone,
    Timo
  • Larino (INT1)Larino (INT1) Posts: 4,572
    Ohhh Pinjo, you got yourself in a lot of trouble now. Maybe you should not have said that : P

    And sure, Latten. I will definitely use everything as a 'Spielerei' now. I can play games. Those buttons are useless anyway, they don't mean anything to me, so let's play!
  • -Eiskalt- (DE1)-Eiskalt- (DE1) Posts: 818
    edited 21.09.2015
    if that's the way Pinjo says a flood occurs on processing to the mods. all the more must disagree-button away.

    nobody wants him, nobody needs him. so where is the problem to remove it? it comes to a button. the negative. because that is a fact.

    (German text edited, this is the EN Forum ;) )

    so yes Smiley
  • Jiesta (NL1)Jiesta (NL1) Posts: 6,557
    PINJO1986 said:
    The moderators have the option to remove the likes , Agrees, LOLs and disagreements.

    If you disagree with a disagreement that someone made send me a message about the disagreement and i will look into it and remove it when it is really unnecessary to disagree with that post.


    Thanks Pinjo! If you look at page one of this thread you will see disagrees on almost every post. I sent a message to Latten & Nafaru about this issue so I'm sure/hopeful they will find a resolution ASAP.

    Also, I just noticed I went down from 5 disagrees to 4.......Is the anonymous disagree-er getting nervous?

    I went down from 10 disagrees to 9 - so maybe this anonymous disagree-er is at least consistent in taking his/her pointless disagrees away.

    -Eiskalt- Thank you for supporting us on this matter! Vielen Dank für deine Unterstützung zu diesem Thema!
  • Jiesta, caution, I was just edited, because I wrote in two languages.

    we had the same discussion in the German forum. we had no chance. so I am trying to help here.
    Look at my posts. with disagree. all of which are meant only personal. for me that's a cut in my own personality
  • NafaruNafaru Posts: 3,047
    Jiesta, caution, I was just edited, because I wrote in two languages.

    we had the same discussion in the German forum. we had no chance. so I am trying to help here.
    Look at my posts. with disagree. all of which are meant only personal. for me that's a cut in my own personality
    Please respect that these are the international forums and - besides exceptions in dedicated sections, clearly marked as such - we would like everyone to speak English as this is the language everyone on here understands. 

    If you would like to chat in German with some other players, feel free to send them a PM, everything else is just rude for everybody not able to understand said language. 

    Apart from that, everyone can follow the German discussion here, it's neither hidden, nor closed and everyone had a chance to have their say. There was not a lot of general feedback and we explained why we enabled this feature and why we decided to keep it for now. 

    We would like both communities to give this feature a try and not just deem it useless/as a tool for abuse from the get go. We will of course monitor the situation and if we notice that it is causing too much trouble, we can still evaluate if parts of the feature or all reactions are deactivated. 

    As Pinjo stated, forum staff have the possibility to review reactions and warn/ban users who abuse this feature in order to harm other players. Greycat Ashes, you should definitely contact your Empire CM in regards to that matter. 


  • Larino (INT1)Larino (INT1) Posts: 4,572
    You know what, figure it out. I'm outta here. In the past everything was fine if a non-English player would write in their own language as long as they added the Google Translated version with it. At least Eis is trying.

    And regarding those stupid buttons, I did give them a chance. I saw it does not work. The meaning of them is totally pulled out of context and I do not appreciate the way they are being explained, namely as just a game. Okay, so we use them just as a game. What the ... is the use of that?! If we want to play games we go contribute in the fun forums in a male versus female or last letter is first letter of the next word or whatever. The buttons are too anonymous and too easy to use or misuse. If you want to try and share in the success of Facebook or Twitter, I do not think it is a good idea to do so in a forum. This is not social media, this is a game forum where we are supposed to help each other with the game, not to judge each other on liking a post or not or telling each other how our cat caught a bird this morning.

    And now you can say whatever you like, I will ignore it. THAT is how it feels when you get a disagree and cannot state your case because the other person is not available for a reasonable discussion!
  • Jiesta (NL1)Jiesta (NL1) Posts: 6,557
    edited 22.09.2015
    Nafaru said:
    Jiesta, caution, I was just edited, because I wrote in two languages.

    we had the same discussion in the German forum. we had no chance. so I am trying to help here.
    Look at my posts. with disagree. all of which are meant only personal. for me that's a cut in my own personality
    Please respect that these are the international forums and - besides exceptions in dedicated sections, clearly marked as such - we would like everyone to speak English as this is the language everyone on here understands. 

    If you would like to chat in German with some other players, feel free to send them a PM, everything else is just rude for everybody not able to understand said language. 




    @Nafaru:
    Sorry Steffi - I don't understand. I have always written in English in this forum, because I know It's mandatory. But in this case (and several cases in the past) I've just put the German translation of the English text right next to it... In my vocabulary that's not rude, that's kindness - just being friendly towards someone of whom you know English is not his/her native language.

    I have always done this- when addressing somebody in their own language appeared obviously necessary - I've always put the English translation right next to it. Just being polite by following the rules of this forum AND friendly by reacting to the OP in their own language.... (I must admit that it hurts me a little this is being called "rude" now).

    And now that all forums are connected I am afraid this is even going to happen more often than in the old forum (that non-English players write in their own language and ad a Google Translated version with it, or that you would do the same when writing/answering a non-English player) ..... 



    EDIT: Larino was faster (well, English isn't my native language either...)
    Post edited by Jiesta (NL1) on
  • -Eiskalt- (DE1)-Eiskalt- (DE1) Posts: 818
    edited 21.09.2015
    Edit:


    Nafaru, I really do believe it wasn't me who was rude, I think it's more you who were rude to me, by reprimanding me for something I didn't do. I didn't only write in this forum in my language - I translated it also, just to be polite.

    When I come to this forum I always try to put my German text next to the English translation, as Google Translate doesn't always catch the quintessence ...

    I like coming over to this forum (but I don't speak/write English well), because everybody is always so friendly and polite with each other.


    lg, Eure Eis


    Post edited by -Eiskalt- (DE1) on
  • rocnrobn (US1)rocnrobn (US1) US1 Posts: 259
    I disagree out of apathy.  I didn't know there was a disagree/agree button until this thread... and I still don't care. :)

    -Y
    I agree...

    There's no badge for disagrees. You can look at the badges at the link below.....

    https://community.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/en/badges/


    Edit to add: @Lesley52 You now have more agrees than disagrees and you got a cute little badge too. ;)

    Thanks for the badge link.
  • jess_d (US1)jess_d (US1) US1 Posts: 3,515

    I decided to go through this thread and look at profiles to see how many disagrees each player has. Look at Jiesta's post above, she went down from 10 disagrees to 9, now she has 12. Look at my post above, I went down from 5 disagrees to 4, now its back at 5. Look at Eiskalt's profile, she has 21 disagrees, does that seems odd to anyone besides me?

    The disagree button is clearly being used a trolling tool! I find it interesting that its not only happening here but in the German forum as well. I don't know how much feedback is needed but they have a 3 page discussion on the German forum and we have a 2 page discussion here. I don't speak German and Google Translate isn't always the best so I don't know everything going on over there.

    I find it very sad that this is something that is upsetting players & it will be allowed to continue. The trolls have basically been given the ok to carry on and that's exactly what they're doing.


    @Eiskalt Thanks for coming over here and showing support in this thread too!

    @rocnrobn You're welcome :)

  • I agree that the button needs to go (probably all of them) & its good to know that may happen eventually. In the meantime,  I hate to see people getting so upset by them. Yes, it is annoying not to know why someone disagrees with you & in some cases my curiosity drives me crazy wanting to know, but they can only upset you, if you let them.

    Everytime you post an opinion, someone is going to disagree with it, if they don`t post a response or click the button, you don`t know about it, but that doesn`t mean everyone agreed with you & I am sure it does not upset you to know there must be people out there that disagree with you & are not telling you, so there is no reason to be "upset" if they choose to click a button either.

    As for trolls, we all know they exist & I am sure have all experienced them when they come onto a thread & pick holes in every comment you make, forcing you to respond in your defence, just so they can post again & bug you some more. That not only derails the thread, it makes it uncomfortable reading for everyone else. So you could choose to look at it as a better option, that they anonomously click a button instead of dragging you into some petty battle of words, with no purpose other than to ruin your day.

    Lastly, how do YOU feel when you see a disagree on another person`s post? If the post seems ok to me I might think "What a strange thing to disagree with." I don`t think "OMG that poster is a terrible person because someone clicked that they disagreed with them." So they are not doing you any real harm, other people will make up their own minds about your opinions & yes, some will not agree with you .... Such is life, don`t sweat the small stuff, there are far better things to get upset about, such as not being able to see the latest post FIRST on a thread., pleaseeeeeeeeeee fix that, that makes me more crazy that anything else on this forum! :)
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    We will keep an eye on this, and we will also collect feedback from other communities. For now though, the button will stay, and despite all, I'm sure the large majority of users will find good use for it apart from trolling :) 
  • Niryn (INT1)Niryn (INT1) INT1 Posts: 255
    edited 22.09.2015
    I have seen it commented on in an existing thread but not sure if it will get much attention there so giving it a thread.  The disagree button is really a negative on the forum and I think we can all agree there is already enough of that.  People are quick to click disagree but that really doesn't give any  information as to what they are disagreeing with, and they tend not to post a reply just click and move on.  The disagree lets people be mean incognito, but it doesn't stop it from causing hurt feeling.  More likely it will cause them to avoid posting in the future.    The agree button gets used and people usually also post a comment and expand on the idea or comment. Agree button also encourages people to share more ideas, the disagree button shuts people down

    If there is a way to remove that button please do. 
    I typed a whole long response but then I realized that's not what anyone wants here. =/
    I'll just point out if we remove dislike, we should remove everything else too because someone might be offended by "LOL" because someone might think it's laughing at them not their post.
    Disagreeing isn't negativity, nor is it healthy discussion to get hurt because someone disagrees, and try to silence them because of it. Nobody should let their personal issues affect the actual discussion of a topic.

    EDIT: P.S. Try to see "Disagree" as someone saying "I agree to disagree, but I don't want to discuss it more I just want to show that I don't support your idea.". Because trolls aside, that's all it is. I don't see anyone demanding that people who Agree or Like explain why or calling them "cowardly" for not saying why they Agree with a post. None of you have the right to force a disagreeing person to discuss more with you either. That's all I hear - that y'all are just upset that you can't make the person talk with you so you could convince them to agree with you. The biggest issue boils down to that you can't control the disagreeing person. But somehow, it doesn't bother anyone they can't control the agreeing people either.

    And that's something that makes me sad and afraid of the new forums.
    Post edited by Niryn (INT1) on
  • Katze-Lilli (DE1)Katze-Lilli (DE1) DE1 Posts: 536
    edited 24.11.2015
    Here ist my opinion regarding the "Disagree-Button":

    I don't like these buttons because they can provoke a very negative atmosphere
    and let people get out of control.
    You can see this in my own thread in our German Forum!
    It is soo awful and I don't want to talk there anymore in this thread because of
    abuses and dislikes in my profile and in different threads concerning this topic here.

    Sorry, for my English but it isn't my native language.


    Post edited by Katze-Lilli (DE1) on

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