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Unfair horse competition

Pooxy (US1)Pooxy (US1) Posts: 90
I've looked for similar threads so I'd avoid posting double but I couldn't find some which I am sure there must be.

Guys, you really need to improve matching it's nonsensical, how the world you want someone to win against someone that is either twice your level or even THREE TIME your level? I'm not even sure how it is technically possible for someone to have a horse level 70 but do you really think someone 3 times under can have a fair chance at beating such a horse?

Most of my fights are totally unfair, they are almost always near or twice my level and that just makes no sense at all. I cannot win against someone twice my level and if I do it will be a exception as 98% will be loses thus wasted fight points.
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  • nadia2nadia2 Posts: 1
    edited 12.07.2015
    Well you don't have to win the whole time give other people a chance that's my opinion
  • Flittermouse (US1)Flittermouse (US1) Posts: 436
    edited 12.07.2015
    The competition has just started again. Everyone starts in the bronze league, including those high-level horses. Once the competition has run a bit, the high-level horses will be in a higher league, and you will no longer be matched against them.
  • Pooxy (US1)Pooxy (US1) Posts: 90
    edited 12.07.2015
    Nope, that's not true flitter, I still get matched with people 2-3 times my level even in the later phases, it might be true in the sense the percentile is greater in the initial phases but it doesn't change that it's entirely silly to EVER be facing people 2-3 times your level.

    And clearly nadia you didnt read me at all. I said CLEARLY that this isn't about winning all the time, I said CLEARLY that it's about losing 98% of those encounters against people that are so hugely above your level. There shouldn't be matches at all if someone is 2 times above your level point blank.

    I got no problems at all with losing, if I have a "fair" chance, I don't mind losing, but I have NO chance, that's where things go silly quite fast.
  • greatbay (US1)greatbay (US1) Posts: 88
    edited 12.07.2015
    I've got beaten by a horse that was 0, yes 0 and I was level 27,seems it is more a spin of a wheel than actually a competition.
  • edited 12.07.2015
    I have the same problem, very often, matched with horses 2 or 3 times my level......however! It is nice when you beat one of'em and you had 20% or lower chance of winning! :) But, I do wish they'd work on it a little!
  • sammytimmy (US1)sammytimmy (US1) Posts: 84
    edited 12.07.2015
    greatbay wrote: »
    I've got beaten by a horse that was 0, yes 0 and I was level 27,seems it is more a spin of a wheel than actually a competition.

    i agree - this is a crap shoot - it's not about experience. roll the dice...if i'm able to compete 10 times, i might get one win. and because i'm focusing on trying to reach level 20 with my second horse as a farm task, and horseshoes are so hard to come by and so expensive to use, i can't invest any to upgrade the competitive horse beyond level 21. therefore 'competition' keeps coming in levels far above mine. it's become an annoyance that i'd prefer to ignore.
  • MellieHardyMellieHardy Posts: 13
    edited 12.07.2015
    nadia2 wrote: »
    Well you don't have to win the whole time give other people a chance that's my opinion

    No, you don't have to win every time, but you also shouldn't have to lose every time. My horse is 11, but I've been pitted against nothing but 16 or above, and a couple were 20 or even a 37 since last night. Why not pit us against people we have at least close to a 50% chance, rather than people who we are 80% chance of a win or 90% chance of a loss? There's nothing wrong with pitting people against similar levels only so that it's really a random chance if you win or not, rather than constant losses.
  • Rebelliousrose (US1)Rebelliousrose (US1) US1 Posts: 11
    edited 13.07.2015
    I'm always puzzled that I have a 70% chance of winning, and I lose to someone with a 20% chance. I have NO idea how the competition actually works.
  • RunsWivScissors (GB1)RunsWivScissors (GB1) GB1 Posts: 6,633
    edited 13.07.2015
    I'm always puzzled that I have a 70% chance of winning, and I lose to someone with a 20% chance. I have NO idea how the competition actually works.

    The only way the other person will never win is if they had a 0% chance (which doesn`t happen), so basically, even if they have a 1% chance, that's still a chance. If you think of it like, say, raffle tickets, there are 10 tickets in a draw, you have 7 and the other person has 3, there is MORE chance that one of your tickets will be drawn, but it could just as easily be one of their tickets, because each individual ticket has a 1 in 10 chance of being drawn.
  • MellieHardyMellieHardy Posts: 13
    edited 13.07.2015
    I just did a full run of competitions, not one was less than 4 levels above me, only one was below me by 2 levels, and even with a 67% chance of winning I STILL lost. NOT fun. I'm so done with the tourneys, because they are indeed WAY too unfair.
  • Pooxy (US1)Pooxy (US1) Posts: 90
    edited 14.07.2015
    Ah, no matter how you look at it, it's all horse poo. Today, I was having to compete against level 70+, one was level 77. Makes me very suspicious of the entire thing actually as I do not see how someone could be legit 77 horse competition, the horse shoes requires for breeding and cross breeding to attain that kind of level, to me that sounds like there's something very nefarious behind it all.

    And if some of you think that's normal, me level 31, facing people level 70+, welllllll... got news for ya, it's not ok :D

    The entire system is broken and broken down, I should... evah be facing someone above me 20% and below me 20% point blank. Or... the system should level me off or the person I am facing so we both have SOMEWHAT of a fair chance at it. But heck! Not like anything is about to change, Im just ranting cause thats what forums are for, not here to think something will ever change about this :P
  • RunsWivScissors (GB1)RunsWivScissors (GB1) GB1 Posts: 6,633
    edited 14.07.2015
    I just did a full run of competitions, not one was less than 4 levels above me, only one was below me by 2 levels, and even with a 67% chance of winning I STILL lost. NOT fun. I'm so done with the tourneys, because they are indeed WAY too unfair.

    I have a newbie horse on this farm & it loses all the time, I nearly faint if it actually wins a challenge & like you I hardly ever see an opponent lower than mine, but my horse on my main farm is diamond level & that one wins most of its challenges. You just need to keep training & breeding & as your horse improves you will win more & get further up the leagues. We are probably not seeing many horses lower level, because everyone else is busy training their up too, but you will soon reach a point where there are as many below you as there are above.

    Pooxy wrote: »
    s I do not see how someone could be legit 77 horse
    :P

    There are horses all the way up to the maximum level 100...Lots of them.
  • MellieHardyMellieHardy Posts: 13
    edited 14.07.2015
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    This is what I saw when I checked the competition today. My horse is level 11. Tell me how I'm expected to have any chance of beating these guys. Is that enough? No. Even without me racing my inbox is still full of clear loss, clear loss, clear loss from people who challenged me. It's not enough that if I chose to race myself I will be slaughtered every time. No, I have to be slaughtered every time by other players too. Absolutely NOT cool!
  • Tboneporkchop (US1)Tboneporkchop (US1) Posts: 105
    edited 14.07.2015
    to avoid losing, the obvious answer is to not compete. i trained a horse up to level 20 before i even began to race him. why? because i knew he wouldn't win. simple.
  • Pooxy (US1)Pooxy (US1) Posts: 90
    edited 15.07.2015
    to avoid losing, the obvious answer is to not compete. i trained a horse up to level 20 before i even began to race him. why? because i knew he wouldn't win. simple.

    That's not true, I was racing long before level 20 and was winning as long as horses were in the similar range. It's not about being level 20 or under at all. It sums itself up in the same word every single time FAIR, that's all, fair competition, fair chance, it's not that complicated.

    Facing someone that is 3 times and sometime even more than 3 times is idiotic, it's a bad system.

    As I said, if someone thinks that's normal then I don't even know where they would pull their logic from. This system is invalid and has to be changed for sure.
  • Helga7 (US1)Helga7 (US1) Posts: 24
    edited 15.07.2015
    The crazy thing is that there really are horses at lower levels. Why on earth you're getting matched w/ horses at levels of 70+ is beyond me! Watch me jinx my own matches, but I'm at level 25 and have never seen matches higher than in the 30's. I've found that if I take the lowest of the 3 when they're all way higher than my horse, sometimes I lose as predicted while other times I win. I think it is a random chance like a spin of a wheel. I've found that when my 3 choices are 1 "safe" match (below my level), an even match (about my level), and a challenge (way above my level), if I take the challenge, there's a good chance I'll win and get the higher level of gold horseshoes, so I often risk it.

    Several family members starting playing recently and have horses at somewhere around 5. Their matches are mostly under 10, so there's obviously some sort of selection process going on.

    I'm annoyed that there's so little opportunity to get the horseshoes if you don't have an island farm. The few that come each time I load the ship are small little handouts, and progress is very slow.
  • little mammalittle mamma Posts: 2
    edited 15.07.2015
    I think it depends on how many stars you have in each category. For instance if I have a heart level of 10 and compete in racing but only have a star level of 3 in racing I'm going to lose to a horse with a heart level of 7 and
    a star level of 7 in racing. If you want to win -always place your horse in a competition where the heart level is lower then yours and where your horse has the highest star level. Right now my horse has a heart level of 9 but I have been training it mostly in racing so it has a star level of 14 in racing. So I simply go to the racing category and pick a horse with a lower heart level then I do and win every time. Its really quite simple. Right now my second horse I'm training in only strength. So even though I might have a lower heart level then my competitor I will probably still win because of my star level in that category will be high.
  • greatbay (US1)greatbay (US1) Posts: 88
    edited 15.07.2015
    The solution is real easy, I stopped caring about the boat and horses a long time ago because it was so lopsided.You can eliminate these and still play the game, the rewards you get from the horses is dismal at best compared to what you have to go through to get them anyways.They should do like they did for the special events, break it down into 3 or 4 groups where only certain levels play,say 1 -30 a group and 31 - 50 a group and 50 and beyond the 3rd group, until then just ignore it, will cause you more strife than it is worth.
  • RunsWivScissors (GB1)RunsWivScissors (GB1) GB1 Posts: 6,633
    edited 15.07.2015
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    This is what I saw when I checked the competition today. My horse is level 11. Tell me how I'm expected to have any chance of beating these guys. Is that enough? No. Even without me racing my inbox is still full of clear loss, clear loss, clear loss from people who challenged me. It's not enough that if I chose to race myself I will be slaughtered every time. No, I have to be slaughtered every time by other players too. Absolutely NOT cool!

    Don`t worry about other people challenging you and beating you, you don`t lose anything in the bronze league & when you challenge someone else, you WIN golden horseshoes even if they beat you, so basically you can`t lose anything. Just EXPECT to lose until your horse is higher & every win is just a bonus where you get even more gold shoes. Use these early challenges to build up golden horse shoes, both from challenging other people & also from winning against George, Lester & Tessa. Use those shoes to get your stables & arenas upgraded & get your horse to a good level ready for when you reach the silver league. Because after you leave the bronze league you will start to lose points for challenges that people make against you when they win.
  • SandraFarmGirl (US1)SandraFarmGirl (US1) US1 Posts: 220
    edited 16.07.2015
    Boat and Horses: Personally, I love the boat, great way to earn lots of dollars. As for horses, I love that, too, still just have one horse. It's fun doing the challenges. Of course, more fun winning, but if you won all the time, it wouldn't be as much fun, I guess. Of course I can see where losing all the time wouldn't be much fun. But if you were in a real life horse competition, you certainly wouldn't want to take your horse to a show or race if your horse wasn't trained properly. So spending the time to train your horse before going to competition probably a good strategic move.
  • MellieHardyMellieHardy Posts: 13
    edited 21.07.2015
    Everyone says oh just level your horse. If the case is that we shouldn't compete till such and such level they shouldn't allow it till then. If they let your horse compete at 1 they should have level 1 competition. This is hardly fair to pit a level 11 horse against. It's not like we are asking for the world here, just fair play.

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  • jeanette23 (US1)jeanette23 (US1) Posts: 2
    edited 31.07.2015
    I agree with you greatbay it seems to have nothing to do with level. I keep getting beaten by lower levels also.
  • JVD (US1)JVD (US1) US1 Posts: 2,784
    edited 01.08.2015
    I win and lose against higher level horses and lower level horses... It has to be the luck of the draw!
  • RunsWivScissors (GB1)RunsWivScissors (GB1) GB1 Posts: 6,633
    edited 05.08.2015
    Everyone says oh just level your horse. If the case is that we shouldn't compete till such and such level they shouldn't allow it till then. If they let your horse compete at 1 they should have level 1 competition. This is hardly fair to pit a level 11 horse against. It's not like we are asking for the world here, just fair play.

    Why wait until your horse is trained before you compete?..... You get free fuel, you win gold horseshoes whether you win or lose the challenges that you do & you get points if you do happen to win, which can get you rewards. As long as you are in the bronze league you can`t even lose any points, so you lose nothing, even if you don`t win any challenges. You can train your horse for 4 hours, then use up all your fuel doing challenges, then put the horse back in training for another 4 hours. Remember to also do the challenges against, the NPCs, as you can win some gold shoes for those too. You have to train the horse anyway if you want to complete the tasks in your task bar, so you may as well put it to use while you are doing that.
  • edited 05.08.2015
    My level 7 horse has the option of a 20, 24, or 40. FORTY. That is 5 plus times the size of my horse. No matter that you don't lose anything for trying, that still means it is no fun. This is a game. A game is supposed to be fun. The point is being slaughtered is not fun. Why is everybody ignoring that? This horse training thing Is. Not. FUN!
  • moma2 (US1)moma2 (US1) Posts: 11
    edited 09.08.2015
    I sorta thing it's unfair, but sometimes you find someone who's half your level number. Sometime you win, sometimes you loose, it's fair that way, but maybe, just maybe there should be a rule that yo can only compete with horses of your own level. I dunno.
  • moma2 (US1)moma2 (US1) Posts: 11
    edited 09.08.2015
    P.S.
    Sometimes someone could complain about the same thing intending you to be the one with the double level of him.
  • DuffyKid (US1)DuffyKid (US1) Posts: 370
    edited 09.08.2015
    My level 7 horse has the option of a 20, 24, or 40. FORTY. That is 5 plus times the size of my horse. No matter that you don't lose anything for trying, that still means it is no fun. This is a game. A game is supposed to be fun. The point is being slaughtered is not fun. Why is everybody ignoring that? This horse training thing Is. Not. FUN!

    Then don't do it. That's the best part about this game. You don't have to do what you don't want to do. My horse has had 1 training in 1 event. It never competes, no one competes against it (seldom). I've got 15,000 horseshoes saved up. Wish I could donate them to someone.
  • Pooxy (US1)Pooxy (US1) Posts: 90
    edited 10.08.2015
    Always have to make this clear, it's not about winning all the time, losing all the time, not even sure why some people keep coming back to that one since it has nothing to do with why I created the thread.

    What it has to do is the idiotic nature of competing against a horse that is 2-3 times your level. That's the gist of it and nothing else. And yes, the reverse is the same, picking on low levels to win. The idea here is the algorithm is simply bork, it doesn't work, I should never, -ever- be pit against a horse that is level 70 if my horse is level 30, makes no sense at all.

    Anyway, as I said, I doubt anything will change there :D
  • luvs2wolf64 (US1)luvs2wolf64 (US1) US1 Posts: 170
    edited 10.08.2015
    I don't have a problem with losing either, unless it's an unreasonably unfair match. Every person I'm up against is way higher they me, so out of the available one hundred fuel points, I get one or two wins. No problem there, really, because the wins do add up. The thing that keeps preventing me from getting anywhere is the long lines of losses in my inbox every ten or twenty minutes! Every time I gain four points, ten or twenty are lost. It is totally unfair to match a player up with people whose horses are twice or more than twice their level not only because the player will most likely lose but also because there are also tons of loses coming in from other people challenging them. The most irritating and unfair thing of all is that other people can challenge you when your horse is in training, but you can't (obviously) challenge others. That makes no sense to me. If a horse is in training, then it should not be available period.

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