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So GGS website states they have 18 million players on Big Farm. Where did you get 84 million? Granted I know my research is "feeble" but I've never known a company to have its own figures off by that quantity.
I did some double checking though and you were right that some of my research was off. With the advent of cloud technology, companies will host a server for you for $150 a month instead of the $600 I stated earlier at the same level of fidelity. The offer the service for Linux or Windows. I'm glad the free market is driving these costs down!
Also, you should check GGS CEOs own statements about their profit margins and the use of interns to do their programming which, by the way, they do pay. My mistake. About $60,000 in American equivalent. Not too bad!
I'll take my master's degree in computer engineering and go back to waiting tables.
Please forgive me if I do not respond to your expected retort though. I am quite done with this conversation.
Cheers.
Yeah, well... first off common sense isn't so common after all if you haven't noticed. Of all the things that tend to be absent from humanity, you would think that knowledge of the basics would not be one of them. But when I read on the box of a frozen pizza "Cook before consuming", or sitting in the theater with a room full of other people watching and listening to the movie. That doesn't stop that one inconsiderate person from disregarding the "Turn your cellphone off during the movie" advertisement and then carrying on a loud conversation while the movie is playing. And there have been countless times where I have watch someone search for something and can't find it. Yet they have failed to looked under any number of things that could easily be covering the searched for item. The sad truth is common sense would be more accurately titled rare sense as more and more people exhibit less and less sound judgement where it should be more or less obvious. Read about it here if you don't believe me. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-prime/201107/common-sense-is-neither-common-nor-sense Bottom line is that common sense has been a dying quality for a very, very long time.
However, other then maybe the very basic idea, I do NOT agree that justice is in any way, shape or form a matter of common sense. And it maybe a logical deduction that a criminal be brought to justice, but all logic abruptly ends there. You could ask three different people how they think the same crime should be brought to justice and likely you will get three different answers. There are so many different ideas about justice and often time there is no right or wrong answer. It becomes baseless and since it goes hand in hand with anger, it can go quickly from any sort of logic, to nothing more then an irrational drive to condemn and punish. I personally find the statement extremely flawed.
Need I remind you that this conversation that was only brought to life when you decided to argue my figures with your outlandish ones! You claim 11,000 players and actually, it's 20 million. instead of $10,000 it's $60,000, interns are paid. This conversation happened because of what you said. And since what you said was inaccurate I replied with what I knew about it. For the record, the 84 million was a rhetorical figure for when you decided to take this discussion to a whole different level by irrelevantly comparing GGS to WOW. Never did figure out what the point of that was. Never once was I insinuating that I thought GGS was better then other game companies. It is half of 169 million as in users that play GGS games. Re-read it if you want to know the reason for that figure.
"host a server for you for $150 a month instead of the $600" Not really sure what the use of this pointless statement unless you know this to be how much GGS pay for their servers. However if you are just listing it as a possible price, then really it doesn't mean anything.
As for the 60 grand, am I to understand this is what one intern roughly makes? Wow...I wonder if the earnings are the same for the other 599+ staff employed by GGS.
As for responding, quite frankly I'm not sure how you could since the majority of you replies were inaccurate speculations including much of the WOW comparison. Respond or don't, what ever suits you. What more could you say to try to support your notion that GGS is not having to put big bucks into what they develop and then making available to players all around the world? Anyhow, it has been an interesting discussion. Happy farming!
Hey, Kat? I'm sorry you've had to merge some of my posts together but I'm afraid I haven't figured how to use the muti-quote feature. Any pointers?
And once I was rude in another game forum, after inquiring about something and not getting an answer. And I wasn't very respectful to the mods. It was much later before I learned that the moderators were just players of the game who voluntarily help to keep forums running smoothly. Any answers in game developments came to them second hand and then to the players, if they were lucky to get anything at all. I was forum inexperienced at the time thinking they had people there who worked the game and had answers. Regardless of my mistake I felt just horrible! Ever since I try to go out of my way to be neat and tidy so mods have one less thing to worry about.
Thanks again!
And Kat Nip, you may babble all you want about this being an alternative to the "workers for hire" but it's funny that you don't mention the prices of all those books, no? I see it in fact as an alternative to scam off ppl for at least one book... then BANG! 5K if you want the next one, sucker!
That library puts a bad name on you GGS.
IO
Mstweety65 (Co-op Guide) The Lord Reigns
let me know when you find a better farm game that isn't so "Dollar Oriented"
Post edited by Kat Nip: Merged posts, please use the edit button
This update is a joke, and I feel like GGS is focusing on more ways to taunt us with using and buying gold instead of making the game fun. I think GGS needs to stop focusing on new updates, and focus on things that are already out, or that have been promised. Like more projects and the 4th farm. All this time and energy spent could have gone to these things. I do appreciate the dog, and the new events are great. But I think it's way overdue to produce the 4th farm for us. As far as the library, I think the first level should have been cash, second level up gold.
I like the idea of the first level or first couple of levels being made available via farm cash like someone else said (like the dog house is). This would allow ALL players to try this new feature and if they like it, maybe they would have no problem upgrading if the prices are reasonable. As they stand now, they don't seem to be.
I don't quite understand why all these books are the same price. Sorry but 490 gold is not worth 5 extra corn, or am I misunderstanding and it's 5% extra? If I want extra corn, it seems I'm better off using special seeds with humus.
This gold stuff is getting to be frivolous and off putting.
Compared to field that gives 21, +3 corn isn`t little, it`s 14.3% increase in production. And special wheat + upgrade (14 wheat) gives increase by 36.8%. Update is great, if you can afford it. No one said you have to upgrade everything.
I can see how adding a gold feature may upset people who don't want to spend money at the game, I really do. But in this case, we made an existing gold feature way more accessible and convenient, and everyone can put in as much gold as he or she wants - if you want to spend less or nothing at all, you are not losing anything - your farm will be the exact same as it has been before. And if you like to push your abilities a bit by using a gold feature, the library will help you out way more than the staff would have ever done, in terms of actual production boosting.
So yeah, I get your point, but I honestly think it's a bit misdirected here
Have fun guys,
Timo
No, I do not think you get the point at all. The point is not even that there is yet another gold spending spree. That is bad enough but the point is that there is a seemingly incessant and aggressive marketing campaign, and players are getting sick of it, plenty have said so in this thread, and at least some have said they are leaving. Please pass on to the development team to slow down a bit. This accelerating pace of marketing over the last six months has become obvious and obnoxious. The game has changed almost beyond recognition. Whilst you still have players left, appreciate them. Please pay more attention to subtle. The farm is not the same, there is a big, ugly, useless, offense-giving building at top right, bigger in size than even the mine, a **symbol** of the agressive marketing. Sitting there reminding everyone that it is a gold-only interaction. We get you want better staff for players, just do it more quietly. The blue icon is enough. Are we supposed to be morons to not be able to click that icon if we want to purchase golden books? Code a hide button urgently, that is my advise.
Oh, don't get me wrong - I did pass all of your criticism on and talked a lot about it to the devteam. In 2014, we will change a lot of the things that are happening around the farm - not only will the positioning of some things change, we also will add a lot of playability to the farm surroundings overall. So, in short, a lot of what you see now around the farm will change significantly, and that's why I don't fixate too much on that topic in particular.
If you combine this with some of my other posts in other threads, you might even figure out one or two things that are coming, but I won't tell you
Generally, it's normal that the game changes over time. We're an online browser game, with an evergrowing world, new features every few weeks, if not every week, and of course there will be buildings, features or other new things that will throw off parts of the userbase. But for every feature Player A doesn't like that much, we also add a feature Player B loves, sometimes it's the same feature, sometimes it's a different one.
Regarding the specific question: "Why would we need the library building AND a button in the task bar", I honestly don't know. I'm no game designer, and so far I didn't get an answer to that that completely set my mind to peace, so I'll advise you to wait for next year when we will start changing the surroundings of the farm. I'm sure a lot of issues you're having with the library building right now will be fixed.
Edit: In case you're wondering about the Ban spree in here and what it has to do with censorship etc: Not a thing. Multiaccounts.
[Edit: Of course not
Thanks for your reply. OK you do understand better than I credited you for, so sorry. We will wait to hear why we need a model and a button in the task bar. Yes things change, just make them changes which don't alienate so many. What I said about subtle still holds. Viewing seas of aqua buildings when visiting is fine, we just don't need such reminders of our own lack of golds on our own farms. Some love the model, so thats why I said hide rather than delete.
Have to agree though --the building itself is a little ugly and redundant since the books is neatly on the bottom icon row.