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The Library

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  • connerk2connerk2 Posts: 177
    edited 14.12.2013
    short79 wrote: »
    Nope, that is NOT all. See I never claimed that GGS was close to competing with anything at all. I just pointed out how wrong your figures were. But since you brought it up, I believe that you're still lacking, both in numbers and research. GGS may have, and it's now 169 million registered users. Of course being registered doesn't necessarily mean these all these users still actively play as well that there may be only one user to multiple accounts so yes, I can differentiate between a registered account and actual user. Incidentally, even if the numbers had to be cut down by half due to the previous statement, you are still likely looking at 84.5 million people actively playing and with just one account, compared to WOW's rather unimpressive 12 million.
    Now I understand that when talking about GGS, this number of users is for a number of GGS games where WOW is just one game. But, here's some irony for you, and remember you decided to play the comparison game not I. First, your research skills...get some because I don't think you did anything of the sort. If you wanted to try to outdo GGS I'm pretty sure WOW was a poor choice to go with. Why? First, it is a subscription game. As I can tell the difference between a registered account and an actual user, do know the difference between a free to play game as opposed to a game that requires a subscription? Big difference. And second, that 12 million you boast so proudly about is actually more like over 10 million and and even that is a "once upon a time" number as WOW experienced a steep decline in subscribe users this year. WOW is now down to just over 7 million subscribers.
    I don't know but it looks like the joke is on you. But I don't need to "ha-ha" about it. I'm sure there will be plenty of that whenever I read through whatever feeble "research" you come up with next. And when you say you have "run a server", I'm going to have to assume that you actually mean a person who waited on you in a dining establishment. Did you want to try this again?

    So GGS website states they have 18 million players on Big Farm. Where did you get 84 million? Granted I know my research is "feeble" but I've never known a company to have its own figures off by that quantity.
    I did some double checking though and you were right that some of my research was off. With the advent of cloud technology, companies will host a server for you for $150 a month instead of the $600 I stated earlier at the same level of fidelity. The offer the service for Linux or Windows. I'm glad the free market is driving these costs down!

    Also, you should check GGS CEOs own statements about their profit margins and the use of interns to do their programming which, by the way, they do pay. My mistake. About $60,000 in American equivalent. Not too bad!
    I'll take my master's degree in computer engineering and go back to waiting tables.

    Please forgive me if I do not respond to your expected retort though. I am quite done with this conversation.
    Cheers.
  • short79short79 Posts: 174
    edited 15.12.2013
    oljah2 wrote: »
    Maybe the life isn't fair because there are those who a priori think that life is unfair.

    Justice is a matter of common sense and logic...

    And now I know, Cerberus isn't very smart.

    Yeah, well... first off common sense isn't so common after all if you haven't noticed. Of all the things that tend to be absent from humanity, you would think that knowledge of the basics would not be one of them. But when I read on the box of a frozen pizza "Cook before consuming", or sitting in the theater with a room full of other people watching and listening to the movie. That doesn't stop that one inconsiderate person from disregarding the "Turn your cellphone off during the movie" advertisement and then carrying on a loud conversation while the movie is playing. And there have been countless times where I have watch someone search for something and can't find it. Yet they have failed to looked under any number of things that could easily be covering the searched for item. The sad truth is common sense would be more accurately titled rare sense as more and more people exhibit less and less sound judgement where it should be more or less obvious. Read about it here if you don't believe me. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-prime/201107/common-sense-is-neither-common-nor-sense Bottom line is that common sense has been a dying quality for a very, very long time.
    However, other then maybe the very basic idea, I do NOT agree that justice is in any way, shape or form a matter of common sense. And it maybe a logical deduction that a criminal be brought to justice, but all logic abruptly ends there. You could ask three different people how they think the same crime should be brought to justice and likely you will get three different answers. There are so many different ideas about justice and often time there is no right or wrong answer. It becomes baseless and since it goes hand in hand with anger, it can go quickly from any sort of logic, to nothing more then an irrational drive to condemn and punish. I personally find the statement extremely flawed.
  • short79short79 Posts: 174
    edited 15.12.2013
    connerk2 wrote: »
    So GGS website states they have 18 million players on Big Farm. Where did you get 84 million? Granted I know my research is "feeble" but I've never known a company to have its own figures off by that quantity.
    I did some double checking though and you were right that some of my research was off. With the advent of cloud technology, companies will host a server for you for $150 a month instead of the $600 I stated earlier at the same level of fidelity. The offer the service for Linux or Windows. I'm glad the free market is driving these costs down!

    Also, you should check GGS CEOs own statements about their profit margins and the use of interns to do their programming which, by the way, they do pay. My mistake. About $60,000 in American equivalent. Not too bad!
    I'll take my master's degree in computer engineering and go back to waiting tables.

    Please forgive me if I do not respond to your expected retort though. I am quite done with this conversation.
    Cheers.

    Need I remind you that this conversation that was only brought to life when you decided to argue my figures with your outlandish ones! You claim 11,000 players and actually, it's 20 million. instead of $10,000 it's $60,000, interns are paid. This conversation happened because of what you said. And since what you said was inaccurate I replied with what I knew about it. For the record, the 84 million was a rhetorical figure for when you decided to take this discussion to a whole different level by irrelevantly comparing GGS to WOW. Never did figure out what the point of that was. Never once was I insinuating that I thought GGS was better then other game companies. It is half of 169 million as in users that play GGS games. Re-read it if you want to know the reason for that figure.
    "host a server for you for $150 a month instead of the $600" Not really sure what the use of this pointless statement unless you know this to be how much GGS pay for their servers. However if you are just listing it as a possible price, then really it doesn't mean anything.
    As for the 60 grand, am I to understand this is what one intern roughly makes? Wow...I wonder if the earnings are the same for the other 599+ staff employed by GGS.
    As for responding, quite frankly I'm not sure how you could since the majority of you replies were inaccurate speculations including much of the WOW comparison. Respond or don't, what ever suits you. What more could you say to try to support your notion that GGS is not having to put big bucks into what they develop and then making available to players all around the world? Anyhow, it has been an interesting discussion. Happy farming!


    Hey, Kat? I'm sorry you've had to merge some of my posts together but I'm afraid I haven't figured how to use the muti-quote feature. Any pointers? :)
  • ezio auditore3ezio auditore3 Posts: 2,399
    edited 15.12.2013
    Just click the reply to post button, copy and paste it into an already written post to start with the next quote :)
  • short79short79 Posts: 174
    edited 15.12.2013
    Ahhh!! Thank you, ezio. Been struggling with that for a while now. Now I can I finally spare Kat of having to take the time to do it for me! Most likely she'd tell me that that's just part of what she does. But I have no idea what all being a moderator entails but I imagine that it can be quite a chore. I am thinking they have to read EVERY post to assure that they are appropriately written, in the correct category and who knows how many aren't. If it were me, it would make my head spin.
    And once I was rude in another game forum, after inquiring about something and not getting an answer. And I wasn't very respectful to the mods. It was much later before I learned that the moderators were just players of the game who voluntarily help to keep forums running smoothly. Any answers in game developments came to them second hand and then to the players, if they were lucky to get anything at all. I was forum inexperienced at the time thinking they had people there who worked the game and had answers. Regardless of my mistake I felt just horrible! Ever since I try to go out of my way to be neat and tidy so mods have one less thing to worry about.
    Thanks again!
  • ezio auditore3ezio auditore3 Posts: 2,399
    edited 15.12.2013
    Lol no worries 'meanie' ;);)
  • Instant Ocean (US1)Instant Ocean (US1) US1 Posts: 189
    edited 15.12.2013
    This so called upgrade or "new feature" is simply a scam, plain and simple. Scaling prices from 400 something for the first book to over 5K for the second one is insulting and also deceitful. One would think the increment would be much more reasonable.

    And Kat Nip, you may babble all you want about this being an alternative to the "workers for hire" but it's funny that you don't mention the prices of all those books, no? I see it in fact as an alternative to scam off ppl for at least one book... then BANG! 5K if you want the next one, sucker!

    That library puts a bad name on you GGS.

    IO
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 16.12.2013
    this was a fun game. why play it will be something new next week and the next
  • mstweety65 (US1)mstweety65 (US1) Posts: 38
    edited 16.12.2013
    Interesting that I came to search this thread for info concerning what portions of each production phase were affected by purchasing a library book (Ex: increase milk - does it increase dung?). I have purchased 1 - for wheat production. It serves me well, with 7 cowsheds to feed. What I learned after reading this thread in the forum is that the BF forum is a microscosm of life...everyone has their own opinions and strategy in playing this game - AHA!! moment - it is a GAME. Not a place where we need to prove how much technology, financing or world-wide gaming know-how we may (or may not have). I love BF, love my BF friends and my co-op. I am a daily player & do buy gold (not as much as I'd LIKE to :), as well as a Cooperative Leader. There is nothing fun in this world that is free, except for getting out in Nature and allowing yourself to experience it fully (and THEN you have to put the gas in the vehicle FIRST:) That being said: Can anyone answer my question about the multi-part advantage as far as the stables and orchards are concerned? I can't see myself buying the book if it does not upgrade BOTH aspects of production. Looking forward to Mod or CM replies with accurate info.....Thanks so much

    Mstweety65 (Co-op Guide) The Lord Reigns
  • lilyelite2lilyelite2 Posts: 4
    edited 17.12.2013
    how many dollars will it take to buy all the gold needed to fill the library?

    let me know when you find a better farm game that isn't so "Dollar Oriented"


    Post edited by Kat Nip: Merged posts, please use the edit button
  • MeadowLeeAnn (US1)MeadowLeeAnn (US1) Posts: 67
    edited 17.12.2013
    This is coming from a gold user:
    This update is a joke, and I feel like GGS is focusing on more ways to taunt us with using and buying gold instead of making the game fun. I think GGS needs to stop focusing on new updates, and focus on things that are already out, or that have been promised. Like more projects and the 4th farm. All this time and energy spent could have gone to these things. I do appreciate the dog, and the new events are great. But I think it's way overdue to produce the 4th farm for us. As far as the library, I think the first level should have been cash, second level up gold.
  • Sennea (US1)Sennea (US1) Posts: 40
    edited 17.12.2013
    Well, I was a bit excited about this update, but not so much now.

    I like the idea of the first level or first couple of levels being made available via farm cash like someone else said (like the dog house is). This would allow ALL players to try this new feature and if they like it, maybe they would have no problem upgrading if the prices are reasonable. As they stand now, they don't seem to be.

    I don't quite understand why all these books are the same price. Sorry but 490 gold is not worth 5 extra corn, or am I misunderstanding and it's 5% extra? If I want extra corn, it seems I'm better off using special seeds with humus.

    This gold stuff is getting to be frivolous and off putting.
  • zul10zul10 Posts: 1
    edited 17.12.2013
    Yes its true. Library is useless update.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 17.12.2013
    here is my farm you can have it back i quit
  • Jastuchko (INT1)Jastuchko (INT1) Posts: 27
    edited 17.12.2013
    Sennea2 wrote: »


    I don't quite understand why all these books are the same price. Sorry but 490 gold is not worth 5 extra corn, or am I misunderstanding and it's 5% extra? If I want extra corn, it seems I'm better off using special seeds with humus.

    Compared to field that gives 21, +3 corn isn`t little, it`s 14.3% increase in production. And special wheat + upgrade (14 wheat) gives increase by 36.8%. Update is great, if you can afford it. No one said you have to upgrade everything. ;)
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 17.12.2013
    gold gold and more gold where does it end?no more gold for me this game is going down hill fast.
  • Lilypaddle (INT1)Lilypaddle (INT1) Posts: 614
    edited 17.12.2013
    I don't plan on upgrading everything. I upgraded eggs and will probably upgrade my apples.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 18.12.2013
    i have never seen a library on a farm but i have seen a out house,maybe that will be next then we will have some place to put all the crap they are feeding us.
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 18.12.2013
    Hmm, just to comment on the 'gold' topic: The Library is basically a replacement for the staff feature, which we removed from the game. The staff also was a gold only feature, except it's pricing was way higher initially than the library starting levels are. Also, the staff feature was, while payed with gold, only a temporary boost, as opposed to the library which boosts your harvests permanently.

    I can see how adding a gold feature may upset people who don't want to spend money at the game, I really do. But in this case, we made an existing gold feature way more accessible and convenient, and everyone can put in as much gold as he or she wants - if you want to spend less or nothing at all, you are not losing anything - your farm will be the exact same as it has been before. And if you like to push your abilities a bit by using a gold feature, the library will help you out way more than the staff would have ever done, in terms of actual production boosting.

    So yeah, I get your point, but I honestly think it's a bit misdirected here :)

    Have fun guys,
    Timo
  • ezio auditore3ezio auditore3 Posts: 2,399
    edited 18.12.2013
    There's free speech here as long as it's not rude and it doesn't offend anyone.
  • Pameow (AU1)Pameow (AU1) AU1 Posts: 266
    edited 18.12.2013
    Latten wrote: »
    Hmm, just to comment on the 'gold' topic: The Library is basically a replacement for the staff feature, which we removed from the game. The staff also was a gold only feature, except it's pricing was way higher initially than the library starting levels are. Also, the staff feature was, while payed with gold, only a temporary boost, as opposed to the library which boosts your harvests permanently.

    I can see how adding a gold feature may upset people who don't want to spend money at the game, I really do. But in this case, we made an existing gold feature way more accessible and convenient, and everyone can put in as much gold as he or she wants - if you want to spend less or nothing at all, you are not losing anything - your farm will be the exact same as it has been before. And if you like to push your abilities a bit by using a gold feature, the library will help you out way more than the staff would have ever done, in terms of actual production boosting.

    So yeah, I get your point, but I honestly think it's a bit misdirected here :)

    Have fun guys,
    Timo

    No, I do not think you get the point at all. The point is not even that there is yet another gold spending spree. That is bad enough but the point is that there is a seemingly incessant and aggressive marketing campaign, and players are getting sick of it, plenty have said so in this thread, and at least some have said they are leaving. Please pass on to the development team to slow down a bit. This accelerating pace of marketing over the last six months has become obvious and obnoxious. The game has changed almost beyond recognition. Whilst you still have players left, appreciate them. Please pay more attention to subtle. The farm is not the same, there is a big, ugly, useless, offense-giving building at top right, bigger in size than even the mine, a **symbol** of the agressive marketing. Sitting there reminding everyone that it is a gold-only interaction. We get you want better staff for players, just do it more quietly. The blue icon is enough. Are we supposed to be morons to not be able to click that icon if we want to purchase golden books? Code a hide button urgently, that is my advise.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 18.12.2013
    i would like to see the post that got deleted. well said Pameow
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 18.12.2013
    [One more of these comments, and I will indeed "kick your arse out for good", as you said it. I'm pretty sure we all know there's a line you shouldn't cross here. | Latten]
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 18.12.2013
    Pameow wrote: »
    No, I do not think you get the point at all. The point is not even that there is yet another gold spending spree. That is bad enough but the point is that there is a seemingly incessant and aggressive marketing campaign, and players are getting sick of it, plenty have said so in this thread, and at least some have said they are leaving. Please pass on to the development team to slow down a bit. This accelerating pace of marketing over the last six months has become obvious and obnoxious. The game has changed almost beyond recognition. Whilst you still have players left, appreciate them. Please pay more attention to subtle. The farm is not the same, there is a big, ugly, useless, offense-giving building at top right, bigger in size than even the mine, a **symbol** of the agressive marketing. Sitting there reminding everyone that it is a gold-only interaction. We get you want better staff for players, just do it more quietly. The blue icon is enough. Are we supposed to be morons to not be able to click that icon if we want to purchase golden books? Code a hide button urgently, that is my advise.

    Oh, don't get me wrong - I did pass all of your criticism on and talked a lot about it to the devteam. In 2014, we will change a lot of the things that are happening around the farm - not only will the positioning of some things change, we also will add a lot of playability to the farm surroundings overall. So, in short, a lot of what you see now around the farm will change significantly, and that's why I don't fixate too much on that topic in particular.

    If you combine this with some of my other posts in other threads, you might even figure out one or two things that are coming, but I won't tell you :)

    Generally, it's normal that the game changes over time. We're an online browser game, with an evergrowing world, new features every few weeks, if not every week, and of course there will be buildings, features or other new things that will throw off parts of the userbase. But for every feature Player A doesn't like that much, we also add a feature Player B loves, sometimes it's the same feature, sometimes it's a different one.

    Regarding the specific question: "Why would we need the library building AND a button in the task bar", I honestly don't know. I'm no game designer, and so far I didn't get an answer to that that completely set my mind to peace, so I'll advise you to wait for next year when we will start changing the surroundings of the farm. I'm sure a lot of issues you're having with the library building right now will be fixed.

    Edit: In case you're wondering about the Ban spree in here and what it has to do with censorship etc: Not a thing. Multiaccounts.
  • ezio auditore3ezio auditore3 Posts: 2,399
    edited 18.12.2013
    Wow Latten you scared me, I thought I got banned after I couldn't see that last post I made :D

    [Edit: Of course not :) It was deleted due to the post you replied to, I undeleted it now | Latten]
  • Pameow (AU1)Pameow (AU1) AU1 Posts: 266
    edited 18.12.2013
    Latten wrote: »
    Oh, don't get me wrong - I did pass all of your criticism on and talked a lot about it to the devteam. In 2014, we will change a lot of the things that are happening around the farm - not only will the positioning of some things change, we also will add a lot of playability to the farm surroundings overall. So, in short, a lot of what you see now around the farm will change significantly, and that's why I don't fixate too much on that topic in particular.

    If you combine this with some of my other posts in other threads, you might even figure out one or two things that are coming, but I won't tell you :)

    Generally, it's normal that the game changes over time. We're an online browser game, with an evergrowing world, new features every few weeks, if not every week, and of course there will be buildings, features or other new things that will throw off parts of the userbase. But for every feature Player A doesn't like that much, we also add a feature Player B loves, sometimes it's the same feature, sometimes it's a different one.

    Regarding the specific question: "Why would we need the library building AND a button in the task bar", I honestly don't know. I'm no game designer, and so far I didn't get an answer to that that completely set my mind to peace, so I'll advise you to wait for next year when we will start changing the surroundings of the farm. I'm sure a lot of issues you're having with the library building right now will be fixed.

    Edit: In case you're wondering about the Ban spree in here and what it has to do with censorship etc: Not a thing. Multiaccounts.

    Thanks for your reply. OK you do understand better than I credited you for, so sorry. We will wait to hear why we need a model and a button in the task bar. Yes things change, just make them changes which don't alienate so many. What I said about subtle still holds. Viewing seas of aqua buildings when visiting is fine, we just don't need such reminders of our own lack of golds on our own farms. Some love the model, so thats why I said hide rather than delete.
  • ezio auditore3ezio auditore3 Posts: 2,399
    edited 18.12.2013
    Thanks Latten. On topic....... I'm seriously convinced that the library is a great thing. I love the concept of it and I'll definitely get some of the books :) I especially love the design of the building especially the book fountain :)
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 18.12.2013
    i think the books are a great addition to the game. They reflect individual play style much better than the old staff. The benefit of buying that book will be here today, next week & next year. They cost about half as much. I am excited about this update! Even to the point that i am asking Jeff to let me buy a little gold, lots of doctor bills lately though so money is pretty tight. I am actually looking at the prime day offers now when they pop in so i can try to decide which one is the best one for me.

    Have to agree though --the building itself is a little ugly and redundant since the books is neatly on the bottom icon row.
  • jaystarr2jaystarr2 Posts: 1,657
    edited 18.12.2013
    The difference between the library itself and the button on the bottom is that the button is called "Farm Boosters"... so unless there are other sorts of farm boosters in the works, one of the two is redundant.
  • dragonpridedragonpride Posts: 574
    edited 18.12.2013
    i would like to slightly change my opinion.as a member of the top co-op i see the new research for milk and eggs as quite useful in projects.though if i may say,the apple and cherry research leaves much to be desired payoff wise.perhaps this could be worked on in the future?
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