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Feedback: Petition against buying reputation points with gold during co-op event

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  • Nieder (US1)Nieder (US1) Posts: 2
    edited 27.02.2015
    I agree with all points about this hot deal being a bad thing. But in addition to that, it is just manipulative to coincide the deal with any 100% gold bonuses. Some people who never buy gold but use an occasional gift card to get it are obviously waiting for opportunities like that. GGS knows the tendencies and patterns of users and when they purchase gold. They're using it to line their pockets, not make the game better. The argument of GGS just doing this to create business for them isn't relevant; the consequence of them doing it is hurting the game and the atmosphere around it.
  • Jiesta (NL1)Jiesta (NL1) Posts: 6,557
    edited 27.02.2015
    debj wrote: »
    I do not normally comment on these sorts of issues as I think everyone has the right to play this game how they choose and also that GGS as a business has the right to find ways of earning money but, having said that I have a number of criticisms about this reputation points offer, which I am just adding to this thread hoping (foolish I know) that it will be read and taken into consideration by the game developers. I apologise for repeating any points that have been made before and the length.

    My major criticism about this offer is that the description of the event clearly says “play missions to earn reputation points”. This offer consequently overrides the description of the event which I thought would be how it was intended to be played. Is this also not false selling/advertising?

    We are often told that updates are because we are not playing how the game was intended to be played but this is allowing the game to be played not how it was intended to be played. Hypocrisy.

    The award is also called “hard work” award. There is not much hard work involved in charging your credit card.

    By this it also devalues the hard work that people put into this event doing the missions.

    This event created a great sense of cooperative cohesion. Whereas this offer is divisive between those that buy gold and those that don’t because of the volume of points that is awarded.

    It was also upsetting for a member of my coop who bought gold whilst this hot deal was available because of the bonus to the amount of gold she got, not because of the reputation points, as she wasn’t aware that that was the hot deal when she bought the gold. Now she is really upset and distraught because she thinks people will think the worst of her … that she has to buy her way in this task (which she doesn’t because she is a very good player at missions) and she doesn’t know how much rep points she “earned” versus bought.

    I dislike how it alters the rankings. I understand it would be very difficult to separate the bought rep points from the earned rep points, but it makes the table feel a lot less accurate.

    I enjoy missions and do them all the time. The worst part about missions is when they are solo … and you get that a lot. What I really liked about this challenge is that the missions become busy again. That makes it fun. Following this offer most of my missions have been solo.

    By having solo missions that makes it doubly worse for those that didn’t buy the rep points as you get less rep points from the missions you do do … so you can’t even catch up.

    And this is the main crux of my criticism of this offer …. By all means people can use gold …. By all means GGS can give offers … but in this challenge people are supposed to DO missions and this offer completely voids that requirement and benefits them excessively above those that have played the missions and not bought.

    I fear that by having this offer in the end GGS will actually destroy something that was a lot of fun and great for the game as people will stop doing the missions because they can buy it instead.

    Regards.

    THX for your post debj - well said, loud and clear! Much appreciated! :thumbup:
  • FarmerDeb1 (US1)FarmerDeb1 (US1) US1 Posts: 26
    edited 27.02.2015
    I for one think this buying RP points is very unfair.. We have worked very very hard in our coop to get up in the top 5 ranking.. That is doing missions everyday all day long for some and after work for others. Our coop has worked as a team as always. Even ones that don't like to do missions are right in there working hard at it.. Then for coops to come in, buy the max rep points and take over the spots we worked so very hard to achieve is not right at all. The challenge is a challenge to make everyone work hard to achieve the best they can.. There is no challenge in opening up your wallet, using your credit card and buying your points to get to the top. The RP point deal should definitely be removed from coop challenges..
  • TexasEllen (US1)TexasEllen (US1) Posts: 1
    edited 27.02.2015
    Well said. I think that gold can be used to improve your farm, which does make it easier to accomplish missions, but the idea of bypassing the actual play of the game by just buying reputation points makes playing the game pointless. When a game becomes pointless, I look for another game fairly soon.
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 27.02.2015
    Nafaru wrote: »

    We usually cannot communicate timings of offers in advance. However, we will let you know in the update announcement once the change to this offer happens. Until then it's technically still possible that it shows up again.

    I'll see if I can get a more definitive answer to this question, though.

    Let me translate that......it means YES the hot deal will definetely be running during next coop challenge but this time we will be sure to iron out all bugs to make sure lazy players have full access to this feature.

    Giving players the opportunity to take a hot deal that essentially buys 120-250k reputation points 7 times is morally wrong. A player that clicks this offer 7 times and organises others within their coop to do so is "not playing in the spirit of the competition". I personally am relieved that my entire group has boycotted this stupid deal, at least we leave this challenge with trophy and cherry and most importantly our integrity.
  • Twiglet (GB1)Twiglet (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,174
    edited 27.02.2015
    gizmo222 wrote: »
    Let me translate that......it means YES the hot deal will definetely be running during next coop challenge but this time we will be sure to iron out all bugs to make sure lazy players have full access to this feature.

    Giving players the opportunity to take a hot deal that essentially buys 120-250k reputation points 7 times is morally wrong. A player that clicks this offer 7 times and organises others within their coop to do so is "not playing in the spirit of the competition". I personally am relieved that my entire group has boycotted this stupid deal, at least we leave this challenge with trophy and cherry and most importantly our integrity.

    Well said and Well done to you and your co op :)
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 28.02.2015
    I have just caught up with the official announcement on the buying of rep points, i missed it before. All I can really say about it is that I had a very very long roll about on the floor, I was not laughing, I was crying my eyes out at the thought that they expect us to believe it. ( notice they fixed the "glitch" where not everybody could access the deal they must have been working flat out on speed if I read all the explanations correctly) Therefore the announcement contradicted itself, 1st it takes a billion light years to adjust anything, but takes a few seconds to fix a glitch on the sale of gold . Two more little points I picked up on.. the hot deal will be adjusted and of course we will be told about it, were we ever told that the hot deal existed in the first place ? And the final note on the announcement, the hot deal is there so everybody can help with reputation points for their co-op. So its not there to make GGS money, its there to help us
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 28.02.2015
    Yeah pretty stupid isn't it yorky....I wonder if Nafaru eye rolled as many times writing the announcement as I did reading it. The majority of people that play this game are adults who like me are probably getting fed up with the lies.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 28.02.2015
    gizmo222 wrote: »
    Yeah pretty stupid isn't it yorky....I wonder if Nafaru eye rolled as many times writing the announcement as I did reading it. The majority of people that play this game are adults who like me are probably getting fed up with the lies.

    I am laughing again at the thought that Nafaru was the author, that was an official announcement from GGS, there are at least 3 contradictions in it. Never mind a bigger barge to move all the GGS manure i'll need one of those massive ocean going ships. I just cannot stop laughing at that announcement, its almost as good as telling your kids that the tooth fairy is real.
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 28.02.2015
    The tooth fairy isnt real?? WTF!!!! :(
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 28.02.2015
    Maryann572 wrote: »
    Well after reading the thread on the rep point Hot deal. I don't think they should offer it at all during a Co-op Challenge. But because they do we will use the Hot deal. We will not be taken out of the top 10 because the other co-ops bought it and we didn't. As for GGS taking so long to fix this issue I say SHAME ON YOU!! If you we're doing your jobs instead of playing GA in the office you would get the work done a whole lot faster. It's seems GGS is all about causing grief in this game. Really we all love this game and would hate to quit playing, I love my co-op and have met a lot of good friends in the game from all over the country. I love the chatting and working together. I would be so proud if GGS would do the right thing, fix all these issues, and fix all the bugs. And please give us a choice on Primeday Sales. Would like to point out that compared to the 1st Co-op Challenge there are a lot less people doing mission races, !st co-op challenge was over 25k people doing missions , now only 12k people doing mission races. Hope this helps GGS see that what they have done is wrong in adding the rep points hot deals

    Last one because I am fed up with it.. I agree with the post from Maryanne, I did not get involved with all the bragging rights this time, I helped a small co-op and one person could buy more rep points than they have got from missions, but they tried hard and lost 20 ranking places after the hot deal started. The next mission challenge I'll be logging of for 5 or 6 days, maybe if a lot of us did that, they would realise what a mistake they made doing this hot deal, If they act upon it is another thing !
  • Wendytsj626Girl (US1)Wendytsj626Girl (US1) US1 Posts: 190
    edited 28.02.2015
    GGS really screwed themselves here. Ditto comments above re buying rep points 7x. I lost complete interest in the challenge and, frankly, started to doubt any/all competitions. So for GGS to earn a few $$, you quite frankly stand to lose much more $$$ when people ignore challenges/horses, etc. when hard work means nothing. Players are going to go back to individual play.
  • Twiglet (GB1)Twiglet (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,174
    edited 28.02.2015
    GGS really screwed themselves here. Ditto comments above re buying rep points 7x. I lost complete interest in the challenge and, frankly, started to doubt any/all competitions. So for GGS to earn a few $$, you quite frankly stand to lose much more $$$ when people ignore challenges/horses, etc. when hard work means nothing. Players are going to go back to individual play.
    I totally agree i feel for all the people who have worked hard and spent hours doing the missions just to be taken over by bought RP. Well done to all that achieved there position due to effort.
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 01.03.2015
    The group that bought number 1 on my server seems to have stooped to even lower levels allowing 3 players from other coops to come into their team specifically to buy out enough rep points to prevent the other teams from winning. The 3 players in question have no gone back to the cooperative they came from....is this common among the other servers or is this the only group using such sad tactics?
  • lynda5 (GB1)lynda5 (GB1) Posts: 1
    edited 01.03.2015
    Really need to revise buying rep pts ruins the game
  • The Back 40 (US1)The Back 40 (US1) Posts: 25
    edited 01.03.2015
    I personally don't think its right to sell rep points.

    It's shameful in my opinon. Why bother playing when you can just BUY your win. Shameful!!!! To top it off, I was offered 100 percent prime time money twice during the rep sale. Once was right before it started than again before it showed again. I am grateful for the 100 percent prime time money, its the only time I buy gold, but to make it even easier for others to buy rep points to win is awful, imo
    Please stop this practice asap or next time I will not waste my valuable time playing the co-op challenge.
    But, I'm sure Goodgame will continue the practice just as they do in their Empire game during an event very similar to our co-op challenge.
    Money, Money,Money - what a sad world this has become. I guess it has truly become, that whomever has the most money does win, even in the co-op challenge. Oh well :(
  • johanne (AU1)johanne (AU1) AU1 Posts: 167
    edited 01.03.2015
    totally agree with what D-Dub has said, believe in competition but honest would be nice. moving players from 1 coop to another just screams desparation
  • jess_d (US1)jess_d (US1) US1 Posts: 3,515
    edited 01.03.2015
    gizmo222 wrote: »
    The group that bought number 1 on my server seems to have stooped to even lower levels allowing 3 players from other coops to come into their team specifically to buy out enough rep points to prevent the other teams from winning. The 3 players in question have no gone back to the cooperative they came from....is this common among the other servers or is this the only group using such sad tactics?

    That's crazy! First of all I would not purchase RP. I prefer to do missions & earn RP by working for it. But if I were going to buy RP I would only do it to help my co-op. I certainly wouldn't join another co-op for them to benefit from my money!


    *Another reason for me to question, what is wrong with people?*
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 01.03.2015
    jess_d wrote: »
    That's crazy! First of all I would not purchase RP. I prefer to do missions & earn RP by working for it. But if I were going to buy RP I would only do it to help my co-op. I certainly wouldn't join another co-op for them to benefit from my money!


    *Another reason for me to question, what is wrong with people?*

    Thats whats annoying me the most, it was a direct attack on my group for winning last challenge (fairly I might add, we have never bought rep points) and a strategy to block all other groups from any chance of the win. I cant believe GGS would even allow for something like this to happen because its not in the spirit of the game. Its not even about winning or losing at this point, as a leader I just feel really bad for the players that put soooo much time and effort into this only to have it stolen away. Lots of missions turned solo after this happened because other groups saw it and probably just gave up.
  • jess_d (US1)jess_d (US1) US1 Posts: 3,515
    edited 01.03.2015
    GGS needs to take that into consideration when they're changing the "Hot Deal". Remember when we had to do missions for the chicken or the egg project? There was no way to buy RP then and there shouldn't be now! There are many ways for GGS to sell gold especially with all the new temp farms. Buying RP should not be an option at all! This is no longer about GGS dividing the gold buyers & occasional/non gold buyers. Its about giving the greedy ones the option to rule the game & discourage others.
  • AlanLeader (AU1)AlanLeader (AU1) Posts: 35
    edited 01.03.2015
    all i'm going to say is people can complain all they want but ggs want you to buy gold . as that is what keeps the game advancing and being updated. as were all paying for the wages of the people building the game. buying gold during the coop challenge will never change.
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 01.03.2015
    AlanLeader wrote: »
    all i'm going to say is people can complain all they want but ggs want you to buy gold . as that is what keeps the game advancing and being updated. as were all paying for the wages of the people building the game. buying gold during the coop challenge will never change.

    FTP games are "customer" based, even free-players play big role in how they get their share in the online gaming market because free-players are majority and they play the role of "advertisement" and "reputation", not to add that if alot of even "paying" customers are also unhappy with this Hot Deal right now, then I can't agree with your reasoning at all.
  • Twiglet (GB1)Twiglet (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,174
    edited 01.03.2015
    Griffith wrote: »
    FTP games are "customer" based, even free-players play big role in how they get their share in the online gaming market because free-players are majority and they play the role of "advertisement" and "reputation", not to add that if alot of even "paying" customers are also unhappy with this Hot Deal right now, then I can't agree with your reasoning at all.
    i pay to play but now have become a free to play customer i am not supporting such a underhand thing as buying RP
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 01.03.2015
    uksharon3 wrote: »
    i pay to play but now have become a free to play customer i am not supporting such a underhand thing as buying RP

    yes that's exactly what i mean too, and problem is not " revenue-wise" even, in short term with such deals they may earn even "more" money from "less" customers. but ignoring "customer" satisfaction, is like dropping themselves to the level of many other failed FTP games and the worst and most obvious mistake that any company even can do in these days to their company.
    so if even in short-term they earn more revenue, in long-term the damage that such marketing strategies(revenue based-ignore customer satisfaction) can do to a company will be irreversible even.
  • Twiglet (GB1)Twiglet (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,174
    edited 01.03.2015
    When i first started playing this game i loved building up my farm and doing co op projects thought it was the best farm game i had come across. I bought gold to help do the projects as well as helping to build up my farm and there was a promise of a 4th farm to be added a permanent one which i was looking forward to as so where many others. if GGS had just made another 4th farm that stayed and added more co op projects even made them harder added the missions for co ops like they have just done but with out the buying of RP added new decorations with higher happiness that actually had something to do with farming not castles and all the other decorations that have nothing to do with farming they would have kept the game interesting and not too confusing as there is or was a lot of older players. They would have had people buying more gold and not just losing interest and leaving a so many have done since all the changes it is no longer the farming game i loved and could not wait to come and play. Take a look GGS and what your doing listen more to what players want yes you have to make money i understand that but your just ignoring all your customers..... since when as castles and horse racing .... gambling been part of farming never have never will and to add insult to injury the buying of RP well this is wrong people work so hard and spend a long time doing the missions just to have there place taken over by the buying of RP.. so so wrong you will lose members this way. To be honest it looks like you don't care your blinded by the $$$$ this will be your down fall.
  • Jiesta (NL1)Jiesta (NL1) Posts: 6,557
    edited 01.03.2015
    lynda53 wrote: »
    we won fair and square by 15 million so cry all u want ,get a grip

    THIS is what it is all about and what we can expect.

    While some players are complaining about the unfairness of the option "buying rep points", the above kind of players laugh at us and buy their way up in the rankings.... They think to themselves "let them whine & cry in the forum and in the meantime we will winn everything" and do not care one bit whether they achieved things by buying their way out or whether they worked hard for it. In fact they might even find us stupid for 'working at all' on our farms - often these are the same players who bought many, many progress/growth/upgradings on their farms.

    GGS gives them the opportunity so they grab it - I don't agree but it is a simple fact. It's similar to the real world: we don't, they do, so they win. :S
  • Twiglet (GB1)Twiglet (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,174
    edited 01.03.2015
    Jiesta wrote: »
    THIS is what it is all about and what we can expect.

    While some players are complaining about the unfairness of the option "buying rep points", the above kind of players laugh at us and buy their way up in the rankings.... They think to themselves "let them whine & cry in the forum and in the meantime we will winn everything" and do not care one bit whether they achieved things by buying their way out or whether they worked hard for it. In fact they might even find us stupid for 'working at all' on our farms - often these are the same players who bought many, many progress/growth/upgradings on their farms.

    GGS gives them the opportunity so they grab it - I don't agree but it is a simple fact. It's similar to the real world: we don't, they do, so they win. :S

    you are right so no point in doing the missions next time really what a waste of all my time spent doing them for what ?????
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 01.03.2015
    uksharon3 wrote: »
    you are right so no point in doing the missions next time really what a waste of all my time spent doing them for what ?????

    To help your co-op out? Its one of the few times/ways big farms can help little farms out. The prizes don't mean much to the upper echelons, but can be a boon to the lower ones.

    That doesn't mean I like having the Buy Gold Earn Rep hot deal, especially not in an unbalanced, random fairness reducing way. But I do think there is more to the Championship than 'winning'.

    -Y
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 01.03.2015
    Yakoska wrote: »
    To help your co-op out? Its one of the few times/ways big farms can help little farms out. The prizes don't mean much to the upper echelons, but can be a boon to the lower ones.

    That doesn't mean I like having the Buy Gold Earn Rep hot deal, especially not in an unbalanced, random fairness reducing way. But I do think there is more to the Championship than 'winning'.

    -Y

    I agree with this completely.

    also yes I agree that there's nothing that can be done to what happened in the past two finished co-op events. but the aim of this thread is to avoid further damage to the game and that event at least from next time. and if GGS keeps on ignoring it more and more every time it'll cost them to lose enough reputation and loyal customers too, so its not "us" that only should be worried about this deal mainly anyway, we will just give our honest feedback as "gamers" that "liked this game" and if they care they will change things and if they don't care then we will go find another game and game company that we like more, sooner or later anyway. it won't be the end of world for us, but it may result in losing "leadership" in FTP market for them.
    and let whoever wanna laugh, laugh. if it wasn't for players like us giving feedback about bakery too for example, those players would still probably be sitting and making stuff in the previous version of bakery and actually lose money without ever even realizing that something was wrong with that.
  • Margitorix (SKN1)Margitorix (SKN1) Posts: 87
    edited 01.03.2015
    gizmo222 wrote: »
    The group that bought number 1 on my server seems to have stooped to even lower levels allowing 3 players from other coops to come into their team specifically to buy out enough rep points to prevent the other teams from winning. The 3 players in question have no gone back to the cooperative they came from....is this common among the other servers or is this the only group using such sad tactics?

    In My experience this are a clear sign of multi accounts :rolleyes:

    and to comments about RP for gold I left my trofee for last time in the dropbox since someone in the coop bougth RP just to get more RP and reach the endgoal getting that!! thats also one of the reasons I'm not in a coop and didn't get in to any after leaving that coop since My worst fear the buying of RP came back to this Coopevent !! have been in the past for a long time at the top of the RP list whitout using gold and vould reach whit lots of hard work between 2.4 mill to 2.7 mill in a week and have been the amount the winner of the week had reach normaly!!! today it's over 6.1 mill for the topspot

    and since they allso have done buying horses for gold the reason to stay in this game are also very much gone thi9nk I migth be able to win this season because I did lots of thougths around the breeding and worked hard to get preperede and had the best horse but don't think next season I'll have any chance ;( so for a loyal long time custommer it's going to be good bye in near future

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