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Horse Breeding & Training - Help, instructions & Tips

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  • BriannospamGame (SKN1)BriannospamGame (SKN1) Posts: 1,803
    edited 10.01.2015
    You are right Data king2, with a horse stable level 3 you have room enough for 3 horses and then you can keep your first 2 horses.

    But from a strategic view it's not a good idea to keep the first 2 horse for longer time than necesarry, because a newborn horse is much cheaper to train than an old horse.

    Let's take an example:
    If you e.g. buy 2 new horses, and train them up to level 14, that will be much cheaper in in horseshoes than continue training them up to level 20.
    if you now pair these 2 horse when they are level 14, you now get a new horse which is level 14 as newborn, and now you for a low price in horseshoes train that horse up to level 20 - 25. Now it's in my oppinion time to pair that horse with another horse which is close to it in level (not more than 5 steps betwen them in level), and from them you will get a new horse which is cheap to train up to level 30 - 35, and so on...
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 10.01.2015
    You will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER... be able to keep your breeding horses.

    I have a stable level 6, only one more to go. When you breed, your two selected horses GO AWAY. :)

    -Y
  • Data King (US1)Data King (US1) US1 Posts: 7,994
    edited 12.01.2015
    Hey Yakoska are you sure about loosing the breeding pair?
    If you have room in the stable then you should be able to keep the pair that you selected to breed. Other wise you won't be able to start selective breeding, ie: strength, agility and stamina.
    Gambit8 wrote: »
    Can someone confirm that there is a definite chance to increase Breeding Quality Level when two lvl 10 Breeding Value horses are paired? What is the % chance of this? Is there a higher chance if the parents are trained higher than lvl 10?

    And does that Breeding Quality show up immediately in the new horse? BriannospamGame2 wrote: "that horse did not get the breeding quaility of 1 as a newborn horse, first after I have trained it up to level 30 in all disciplins, it get the breeding quaility of 1." but nobody else has confirmed or denied this.

    I have 1 foal from one of my breeding attempts where one horse was level 20 (a stock horse) and the second stock horse at level 16 and got my foal at level 16 with a breeding plus on jumping(strength). Hope this helps a little :)

    Edit by PINJO: merged posts, please use edit button
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 12.01.2015
    Wow, I didn't sound certain enough in my post? Not sure I can add any more 'Never Ever's.... :)

    Yes, I have room for six horses. I currently only have 4 horses. I had three yesterday, but I wanted to start training a new one, and let my 'top' horse race every 3 hours instead of 4. The reason I had 3, is with room for 6 horses, I bred two of my four horses in order to try and get a quality 2 horse. The parents went away I was left with a foal. Still only quality 1, alas.

    -Y

    Edit> Another tip....
    If you are setting up a training, and the stats bar says, for example, "Lvl 13, 0 More." And you train. When your horse is done, they will be at lvl 14. This can save you the 20 horseshoes it would take to get the stats bar to show "Lvl 14, 165 more."
  • BriannospamGame (SKN1)BriannospamGame (SKN1) Posts: 1,803
    edited 12.01.2015
    Data King2 wrote: »
    Hey Yakoska are you sure about loosing the breeding pair?
    If you have room in the stable then you should be able to keep the pair that you selected to breed. Other wise you won't be able to start selective breeding, ie: strength, agility and stamina.

    The only way you can avoid to loose a horse by breeding, is never use that horse to breeding.
  • rocnrobn (US1)rocnrobn (US1) US1 Posts: 259
    edited 12.01.2015
    Thanks all this is good however my question is still not answered.

    How do you get a horse with a Breeding Quality Level 2?
  • BriannospamGame (SKN1)BriannospamGame (SKN1) Posts: 1,803
    edited 12.01.2015
    Maybe nobody yet have get a horse with a breeding quality level 2? :)
    - or at least not somebody who read in this thread.

    It's only a few hours ago I today try to do it, by pair my 2 best horses (both parents was Breeding Quality Level 1), but I missed. :(
    Attachment not found.

    But at least I get a new horse where the first training could raise the strength from level 39 to level 43 if I would use full intensive training on it.
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  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 13.01.2015
    To get a horse with quality level 2, I believe you need to breed a horse with quality level 1, and 'Have a chance' at a breeding quality increase. So far, I am 0-3 in those attempts. Someone in my Co-op did it first try.

    -Y
  • Andy128 (RU1)Andy128 (RU1) RU1 Posts: 2,526
    edited 13.01.2015
    Yakoska wrote: »
    To get a horse with quality level 2, I believe you need to breed a horse with quality level 1, and 'Have a chance' at a breeding quality increase. So far, I am 0-3 in those attempts. Someone in my Co-op did it first try.

    -Y

    I believed it either, but as I said in another thread:
    I got 2 breeding quality from 2 horses with 1 breeding quality, but in the breeding screen there wasn't any mention about the chance to get it.

    Maybe it's normal for 2 breeding quality, maybe it will be fixed.
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 13.01.2015
    In that case I am at least 0-6... if not more....

    Though it may be a function of a possible display error. Where if you put the horses top and bottom one way, it says "Chance of increase" and if you reverse them bottom and top, it doesn't. So maybe its supposed to show both ways, and for some reason it doesn't?

    -Y
  • Data King (US1)Data King (US1) US1 Posts: 7,994
    edited 13.01.2015
    Yakoska wrote: »
    You will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER... be able to keep your breeding horses.

    I have a stable level 6, only one more to go. When you breed, your two selected horses GO AWAY. :)

    -Y

    Wow that sucks all those horseshoes for training, to basically throw them away! Thanks for the update! ;(
    Trippel2 wrote: »
    ''Breeding quality level can only be increased through breeding.''

    Every time you breed there is a chance your foul's quality level will increase, if there is a chance this will happen is shown in the 'breeding screen'.

    This will also depend on the level of the horses you are breeding. I have suggested to other members of my co op that they wait until their horses are at least level 20 (both horses) before breeding to increase their chances to get a better foal with a breeding quality bonus.

    Edit by PINJO: merged posts, please use edit button
  • BriannospamGame (SKN1)BriannospamGame (SKN1) Posts: 1,803
    edited 14.01.2015
    Whitout to be 100% sure, I think the best is to train 2 1'st generation horses to level 14 in all 3 diciplines.
    - It's IMO not worth to train them more, because training a 1'st generation to level 15 cost around the same amount of horseshoes as it have cost to train them to level 14.

    Now pair these to level 14 horses to a new 2'nd generation level 14 horse. Now train that horse until it be relative to expensive to train it more. now it's time to pair this 2'nd generation horse with another horse, best with another 2'nd generation horse with the same level (or close to).
    - and so on.
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 14.01.2015
    Actually, I do find that a first generation horse at 15s breeds with an easy to acquire generation 2 (1 breeding effect) with 25s to make a horse with 20s.. and 2 breeding effects.

    -Y
  • chicaachicaa Posts: 437
    edited 15.01.2015
    Very helpful and useful information!! Thanks so much for it!! I really appreciate it. :)
  • Seeker1 (US1)Seeker1 (US1) US1 Posts: 571
    edited 20.01.2015
    I thought I'd post this while the server is down for maintenance :huh:

    have side task that says: Crossing and pairing: have one horse with breeding quality lvl 2

    below that it says 1 / 2

    My stable is level 4,
    Im on the set of tasks that says: earn 2,500 gold shoes,
    I have just 1 horse in my stable now which has gone through about 4 or 5 breedings,
    that horse is level 60+ on all 3 training categories,
    the breeding QUALITY is level 1.

    Now Im wondering, it says 1 / 2, where's this quality level 2 horse???
    I would have emmediately noticed a breeding quality 2 and kept it aside...
    ...since the best I've seen sofar is a quality 1.

    Total confusion NOW !?( :huh: :?:

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  • RunsWivScissors (GB1)RunsWivScissors (GB1) GB1 Posts: 6,633
    edited 21.01.2015
    This is just a guess, because I haven`t got to that task yet, but is it possible that the counter is counting quality levels not horses?

    So you have 1/2 because you have 1 quality level & you need 2.
  • MRG1 (US1)MRG1 (US1) US1 Posts: 1,554
    edited 21.01.2015
    I am on the same task and have tried breeding twice when it says chance of new breeding quality level. Still only get breeding quality level 1
  • Trippel (NL1)Trippel (NL1) Posts: 299
    edited 21.01.2015
    Breeding creates a new horse with different potential advantages over their parents, including attribute increases through breeding effects, decreased amounts of training points needed for an attribute level-up and a chance to increase their breeding quality.

    Facing the same task, failing over and over again. Hard to figure out how excactly things work on a 'there is a chance that there is a chance' basis. Turned back to just clicking minimal training, that is, if i don't forget.
  • Agons000 (AU1)Agons000 (AU1) Posts: 39
    edited 21.01.2015
    This is just a guess, because I haven`t got to that task yet, but is it possible that the counter is counting quality levels not horses?

    So you have 1/2 because you have 1 quality level & you need 2.

    Spot on, Scissors! :P

    As for the "chance for increase in breeding quality", sometimes it shows and sometimes it doesn't, but the quality can still go up, regardless of whether the text is there or not. As in, if you breed a breeding quality level 1 horse, there's a chance of getting breeding quality level 2. I'm not sure this applies to ALL horse breeding processes at ALL different breeding values and quality. When I asked the question (a month ago), no one answered, and still, it's unanswered...
  • jules314 (US1)jules314 (US1) US1 Posts: 399
    edited 21.01.2015
    I bred 2 horses together and could not complete this task. I'm utterly confused :(

    Horse 1: Breeding value 24 (was bred previously), competed in races
    Horse 2: Breeding value 20 (was purchased, not bred), competed in races

    The icon said there was the chance of a breeding quality. The red circle was present when I was looking at the breeding window.

    So: After breeding these together I was able to keep the previous breeding effect, and then received another. So this new horse has 2 breeding effects. The new horse has a breeding value of 22.

    But no breeding quality and now I still have this task.

    What did I do wrong? This is a very frustrating task if it's something that has a CHANCE of happening.
  • Seeker1 (US1)Seeker1 (US1) US1 Posts: 571
    edited 22.01.2015
    I"ll stop breeding for now until GGS can shine some light on this matter. :whistling:
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 23.01.2015
    Here's the light: The quest description is wrong. It should be "Have 2 horses with quality 2". The counter 1/2 simply counts the horses.

    (The quality can be increased by breeding, influenced by the horse level and quality of the parents)

    edit: Wait, I'm probably wrong. Darnit.

    edit2: I just lost one Euro and the correct reply is: The quest description is fine, the 1/2 counts the quality level.
  • Yon Beast (US1)Yon Beast (US1) Posts: 60
    edited 23.01.2015
    well I finally got a level 2 horse....uncommon
    I bred 2 common level 50 for it.

    Foal has 4 breeding effects and can train to 60 in THREE maximum trains

    I should note that the chance of a new breeding quality level was NOT showing....yet I still got it! :)
  • Trippel (NL1)Trippel (NL1) Posts: 299
    edited 23.01.2015
    Still dark, but maybe its just me.

    'There might be a chance on an increase breeding quality' but 'if the chance isn't there it still might' is way to difficult for me.

    Its like a game with a dice, not knowing what number you need.
  • Seeker1 (US1)Seeker1 (US1) US1 Posts: 571
    edited 23.01.2015
    OH... My original thread has moved...
    Latten wrote: »
    Here's the light: The quest description is wrong. It should be "Have 2 horses with quality 2". The counter 1/2 simply counts the horses.

    (The quality can be increased by breeding, influenced by the horse level and quality of the parents)

    edit: Wait, I'm probably wrong. Darnit.

    edit2: I just lost one Euro and the correct reply is: The quest description is fine, the 1/2 counts the quality level.

    Is that your final answer ? Would you like to ask the audience OR phone a friend???:D
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 24.01.2015
    Okay, well, I am 0-9 ( I think... losing track) on chances to increase my quality to 2! But, I have made a discover which I think validates a theory I had.

    The Crossing and Pairing task has the text: Many horses are refined by pairing them with Arabian and Thoroughbred horses.

    To me, I began to suspect that this is why a foal's parentage is available. You want to try to mix up the lineages.
    Normally I breed 14/14/14 with 14/14/14 and I get a chance to increase breeding quality level. Sometimes it increases, sometimes not.

    Today, however, I bred a 14/14/14 horse with the parents Champ and Champ, with a 14/14/14 horse with the parents Champ and Champ... and got NO chance at a breeding quality increase. I still did the breeding because now I have a pure blood Champ horse of a higher level.

    If its true that lineage has much to do with Breeding Quality, as it appears to, then it also answers another often asked question. Why is there a set free button? Why would I ever want to set a horse free? The answer being... because you are looking for a new foal with a specific lineage.

    -Y
  • Yon Beast (US1)Yon Beast (US1) Posts: 60
    edited 24.01.2015
    your theory carries weight, Yakoska

    looking at my new grade 2 foal....yes...the parents at 50 were the same...as in a pair. Perhaps that is why level two was achieved. I still haven't seen a 'chance for breeding quality level' on any horses that have a quality level.

    How (other than the colour) can you tell what horse is what?
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 24.01.2015
    I think you have to write down the initial lineage (the family tree) of each foal you buy. Obviously the ones you breed will only show the parents you used.

    -Y
  • juggernaut (GB1)juggernaut (GB1) Posts: 23
    edited 25.01.2015
    so....I have one horse breeding level 22 and another breeding level 14.
    It is taking way too many horseshoes to get the 14 level horse to even 15, so not gonna manage that one.
    question is, if i breed them and get another horse, I'm assuming my 2 horses will disappear and I'll be left with one new one. Will it take less horseshoes to get that one to 20 and as my first horse with level 22 will have gone, will this still register on the fit for breeding task or will it go back to 0/2 horses with breeding value of level 20?
    hope I made that an understandable question :)
    Thanks
  • Michiru (GB1)Michiru (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,239
    edited 25.01.2015
    Yon Beast wrote: »
    well I finally got a level 2 horse....uncommon
    I bred 2 common level 50 for it.

    Foal has 4 breeding effects and can train to 60 in THREE maximum trains

    I should note that the chance of a new breeding quality level was NOT showing....yet I still got it! :)

    Thanks, that really helps, was looking for somebody who's managed a quality 2 horse :)
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