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horse farm confusion
I bread my horses finally. Now I see I have the option to "buy" a new horse with a lower value than the one I have been training, and also the option to set my horse free.
What is the point? Are we breeding to dumb down the already stupid horses?
I don't get the competitions either. Even when I'm up against a horse with less training I still lose.
The thing is a real drag. And I can't advance anything because horse shoes are few and far between and of course now the ship is asking for stuff I don't have...... again.
I'm well stocked up on seeds bought with seashells. Now I need stuff only obtainable from the viking island which is way too young to collect anything from. By the time that starts producing the event will be over.
This is really becoming a drag here.
IS there a guide somewhere as to what the breeding thing is all about?
After they bread I got some window I can't get rid of unless I check the box. Only I have no idea what that does or means.
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I don't understand what I'm doing or why
All this has virtually ruined a game I loved. I'm hanging on here, for now, hoping it will all hang together eventually, but it's getting very close to my quitting.
I'm ignoring the airport events, and therefore the green house and one third of the ship, and the ranch.
So I'm currently ignoring almost as much of the game than I'm taking part in, which makes one think hard if its worth continuing
Any help?
And many other players who are confused that you lost parent horses by breeding:
If you have read the horse breeding manual before you began to breed your horses, you also would have known that you will loose the parents..
We will look into it and clear things up a bit.
Sadly my first horse have dissapeared, and I have been very carefull not to let it loose. Once I renamed it, but that was not, when it dissapeared, came later. In the meantime, it was almost impossible for me to switch.
Now I have only one horse, with lesser skils, than any of my former horses, and the one of them are shadowed, if the other is active.
Please give me my old horse back. It was more than level 10, worked up at the time, when getting level ups was hard to get, and please get me my second horse back, with sufficient levels.The one I have now, is a beginner and a looser.
Rosamynte ( P.S. - excuse me for my bad English in writing.)
Most of the time I can not find it. The first horse I got became well trained, but it has disappered.
How come?
Chickens take 13 minutes to breed eggs. Cows give milk every hours. Etc. Most of the things in the farms are geared for a daily play environment. Whether you check in all the time, or a few times a day. It doesn't take long to fill up your space (though it does take awhile to unlock all the spaces). At reasonable intervals, you get new Farms to play with. Gourmet Farm and Flower farm. In the interim, there are the events, Piggles, UFO, Vikings, etc. each offers a different level of interaction, benefits and time allotted.
Then there is the horse paddock. The goal (so far) here is to breed the best horse you can. You do this by training up two horses to a more or less reasonable level (depending on their training %). Any new horse you buy, trains to 14s relatively quickly. One training session, if you can manage the 4000 horseshoe cost for intense training, each ability, but the quickly slows down in training gains.
When you breed two horses, three things happens, which you can see ahead of time (to some extent) in the breed tab in the stable.
1) Your horse will start at the mid point in each ability of the two parents, rounded down. Thus if you breed a 15/15/15 horse with a 14/14/14/ horse your foal will have 14/14/14 to start with. In addition below each foal's potential stats are % numbers. This is the training cost of the foal. Unless the number is 0%, what this means is the foal will train Faster than either parent. So even if the foal has less ability than one parent, they will surpass them quickly.
2) you get some breeding effects. from +1 Agility, to +9 Elegance (that I've seen). Early on you may only have 1 breeding effect, and one slot, which is not very exciting, but that changes eventually. How many you can choose will be shown by how many question mark boxes your potential foal shows. You will get to choose from the breeding effects of the parents, and 1 random effect (So far, I have only seen +1 random breeding effect).
3) Your 'breed quality' might have a chance to improve. This is not always the case. Sometimes there will be no chance of improvement. If there's a chance, you will see a red quality symbol right above where it says "+1 random breeding effect", and the words random chance of a new breeding quality level. The higher the quality level, the better the horse in ways listed, though not fully understood.
So what does this mean? Well it means the more times you breed your horses the better the foal will be. But you don't want to breed for 0% training benefit (I think all horses above 10 breeding value give a benefit to training time) and you do want to breed when you have a chance to increase quality, and breeding effect boxes. The end goal is to have a horse (or horses) with stats 120/120/120. You will always have a chance to lose, but the NPC horses will only go to 100. But THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. It will take a LOT of patience. This is the Longest Term goal yet offered by Big Farm, and it is obviously frustrating a lot of people.
My best advice is, train... breed when it seems advantageous. Do not get attached to any one horse (though I have a certain 'lineage' that I am attached to descended from my original horse). Eventually the golden horseshoes will come. Did I mention Be Patient?
And, as stated previously, you will be able to race against other players at some point. And that will probably be fun, if you don't like the 'intricacies' of breeding. I do.
-Y
FYI I can tell you there also is a speed +7.
At the moment I have these 3 horses:
This one on my us farm:
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And these 2 on my skn farm:
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I'm not sure about how GGS have translate the words form english to danish? - (I have seen several examples where GGS's translations is totaly wrong and unlogical)
But my best guess is this (using the small effect-signs in the picture as indicators):
udholdenhed = endurance
springkræfter = strength (or maybe the directly translation: jump power?)
føjelighed = agility
-Y
Very well explained.
PATIENCE!!!
The confusion is that some people are so far along while others haven't missed a beat and yet others are struggling.
Some that went too far ahead are wishing they had trained a bit more before breeding.
I am pretty sure that IF you aren't happy with the horse you have....you have the option to start over. Of course, the cost is your losing the shoes you've already put in.
I am having good success with my first foal (+2 endurance) as i trained both parents to 20....now foal is @ 35....waiting for newly purchased horse to make to 20 at least....
For ex: you breed 2 horses; horse A with BV(breed value)20 + horse B BV 14 = 34 Tot BV. Then Divide 34 BV by 2 horses to get the average which will be the foals BV 17.
This is lower than your original 2 horses but will breed up faster by about +11 BV with training if u train once each attribute to get 28 endurance, 28 strength and 28 agility. So ur horse will start at 17 BV foal + 11BV training = 28 BV foal (for example). (I have trained from a 15 BV foal to a 26 BV foal)
Keep in mind that when training, ur horse's BV is the average of all its 3 attributes, endurance, strength and agility.
You also need to train (I suggest) using the 4000 max horseshoes,at each attribute, to get the full benefit of breeding up faster. When breeding slows down, u can choose to train with less horseshoes to save those shoes
In the meantime, u are also training a new buy horse which u train from 0 BV to 14 BV.
Then when u will notice that with training, your horses BV average increase slows down with training and u are satisfied with ur horses current BV, u breed ur now 28 BV new foal with ur 14 BV new buy = foal BV 21 average and repeat process.
As u repeat the whole process, ur horse BV will go higher and higher.
the challenge is how to get the highest BV for a particular horse or horses lineage and to win in competitions of course.
Keep competing in the beginning. Nevermind if u lose some, u will also win those gold shoes. Then when u r comfortable enough, compete only to win which means train ur horses BV to be higher than that of the competition so u improve ur chances to win competitions and u don't have to compete all the time.
Its good to keep in mind that u want to train to win in a certain discipline whether, Jumping, Dressage or Racing for the future.
Have fun, hope this helps.
If you can't afford to spend that many horseshoes on one session it will take a month instead of a day to train a horse to level 14, al three training grounds lvl 5.
A huge difference in breeding effect, purely based on a random chance.
The word might says it all.
Not true, players horses and the NPC horses are both topped at 100. Players horses can gain extra effects with breeding, NPC horses gain extra effects due to experience from their rider, which is topped at 120.
Nobody knows if this means the NPC horse will eventually be 220.
There are some threads about matching.
Maybe i will get struck by excitement when i can breed a 4th generation horse and I have only 3 slots available and there are 4 effects to choose from, but that wont happen in the first 8-9 months. I'm sure it will be great if the moment is there and I can choose between a +1 and a +9 effect.
Am totally disappointed. Not only did I Loose my first horse, I also got a new one, starting from fresh and another, or the same one actually , one is named golden glory the other gyldenlok. Allmost the same just in two different laguages. They are the same. But my first horse was Sorte Sol ( or Black sun) but I can not find it anywhere. This horse had reached more than level 10 and was ready for breeding føl ( horse childen).
Ok, Where IN THE GAME does it point to any manual? And even after looking (and omg I don't have hours to decipher the damn thing.) It's so convoluted....
Listen. Take horse 1 and mate it with horse 2, you should end up with THREE HORSES!!!!!!!!
It might be fun to train each one differently. Then get to pick who you use to go up against who.
Which brings up another point. When I go to compete, even if my horse ranks higher than the one I'm up against, why do I still lose?
Another question for anyone.
Training. MY GOD it takes some 4000 horse shoes to fully train? So if I only slide the bar over as far as I can to start, (which takes the same amount of time) Does it do anything at all????
I can't seem to collect any sizable amount of horse shoes because now the ship is asking for cargo I can't supply.
Money from the island just dribbles in. NO where near enough to do anything with. So the ship sits for hours upon hours waiting.
Someone posted earlier.... is this fun? NO! A resounding NO.
THough I am enjoying the islands, especially being a little bit different this time around.
But the horses? Bah. Set the nags free.
Finally GG admins said this is a work in progress. Here's a thought,
WORK IT OUT BEFORE ROLLING IT OUT!!!!
You do this all the time. Roll out some new thing that is broken. WHY? Are you trying to send your players away? Work out these things first. And please remember the number one rule in any good design
KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid!
Ya know, some suggestions might be....
1. A horse wins something it should not only pay off in gold horseshoes but in cash. Like a real horse competition. The owner gets a purse.
2. What about stud or breeding service? Your winning horse might be worth money, perhaps to another player, as a breeder. That might be fun.
3. Seems there is room in the stable for more than ONE horse. Breeding should mean you have more horses, not less. And instead of "setting them free" how about being able to sell them? The more they are trained, the more they have won, the more they are worth. Now that could be a prize worth working on.
Looks like we started in a money pit and wound up in a horseshoe pit!
I think there is probably a simple strategy to play it except I have not seen it yet, still just stumbling along. I don't want to give it up tho. its a challenge. And as I said I think it has promise.
I think maybe it would be simpler to play the horses part of the game if it was a separate farm - like the gourmet farm and the flower farm. With its own task bar. I hate that its tasks are muddled in with the others. And you cannot get rid of the tasks by completing them - they just sprout more tasks!
Also I think the linkages with between parts of the game seems complicated when it comes to horses and islands. As one player commented if you decide to ignore the islands and the horses, you are having to ignore huge chunks of the game. If each was more of a standalone option, that would be an improvement I think.
-Y
Rosamynte, I have make this danish site with information about my experiments and experiences with the horse breeding, maybe you will find some of my informations there usefull? (I think you are danish because of the name you give your horse.
If you, or somebody else you know, would like to read the annoncement about horse breeding tranlated to danish, you can find it here.
The manual is nowhere in the game as a writen document you can read before you start breeding the horses.
Instead there ingame are some task which should learn us how to breeding our horses....
- Unfortunately these ingame task do not warning about we loose the parent horses.
I have the same problem.
Agree, also I think a very high percentage of players never read the annoncement or other things in forum.
I think most players want to play a game which is easy to play, whitout first need to read complicated manuals. Just take a thing as manuals.... How many people read the manual before they begin to use their brand new computer, tv, washing machine (you name it) - People do first read the manual when they bt lots of experiments still not can get that damn thing working as they want.
Few weeks ago, in Denmark a tv program make a little inquiry study on how many drivers who knew how to switch on the car fog lights... and a lot of the drivers answered they did'nt know that.
I was clearly fooled by the impression your post gave me, I assumed you were giving an explanation about the horsefarm. I was a little confused, you seem to clearly underestimate the number of horses that need to be trained to get 1 6th generation horse. You do know that you need to train 62 horses to get there?
I for one am enjoying the Horse Ranch. I make no apologies for that. I also am looking forward to any improvements GGS will make to the Horse Ranch relative to the rest of the farms and the game as a whole.
I'm not confused at this point by the Ranch and look forward to whatever new Task has been set. I've won a gold mining license which I think is great among other things - to me anyway.
I am running out of horseshoes so I know at some point I will have to start stocking up on them again. I hope GGS makes it easier to collect horseshoes for training.
I think KISS is a great acronym for Keep It Simple & Sensible
And yes I am having lots of fun!