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Critcism: Horse Unprocessed Fertilizer

The horse ranch is indeed ill-conceived; a more complex route to greater boredom I cannot imagine. I did want to believe!


The iron shoes are used to train; better-trained horses win more competitions; competitions win gold shoes; gold shoes are used to upgrade the three training grounds. So much is clear.


Since training ground upgrades demand the builder for hours at a time, as well as gold shoes (and I really have plenty of things to build and upgrade on my main, gourmet, and flower farms) I'm particularly unmotivated to fool around with horse stuff with no benefit to my farms or my co-op.


Since a round of training takes 4 hours (regardless of iron shoes spent) and the competition-fail cooldown is 3: the single rational strategy is to race each of the three opponents until failure, then go for a round of training. There's nothing to think about.


Each heat, against each opponent, requires 6 clicks, with the same geewhiz chatty narration -- 8 clicks if I want to see the detailed outcome, which tells nothing. So one full pass at the horse is perhaps 6 x 5 = 30 clicks, for a couple of wins and 3 losses; and another dozen clicks, before and after the competitions, for training. That's about as many clicks as a half-hour wildflower mission -- which rewards me, eventually, in tangible farm benefits. My mouse hurts.


First I put several hundred thousand farmdollars (and much time) into the island to get shells to buy greenhouse seeds to get iron shoes to put into this cranky, dull horse. From the horse I get some gold shoes. I do not believe it when I'm told the gold shoes will buy me a ticket to the moon. I don't even get to feed my silo! What does this horse eat, cotton candy?


I used to enjoy The Captain and Tentacle's visits; now we're barely on speaking terms. I have stalled development of my serious farms in order to inflate a lazy brother-in-law's island pipe dreams. Each month I invest; each month he goes bust anyway. I do not even get the dubious pleasure of watching a little moe horse skip along, kicking up a trail of daisies, hearts, and rainbows; the plug just stands there.


No, no, no!


Time for GGS to confess failure, dump the whole decomposing mess, console each careless person with some, dunno, ten bags of fertz; and leave us to our purely agrarian pursuits. From now on, Johnny's on his own.

Edit by PINJO: changed the inappropriate word

2014 Nov 10: I've decided that the worst of it is that the ranch upgrades occupy the builder-function. I have way too many upgrades pending on main, gourmet, and flower farms to waste any time on upgrading ranch, too. Let this be another side-upgrade, like the tractor upgrades, that don't interfere with important buildings.
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Comments

  • farmerjohn 22 (US1)farmerjohn 22 (US1) US1 Posts: 37,770
    edited 29.10.2014
    You should still reserve judgement until the entire horse ranch is implemented. This is only the first installment. :)
  • SAUGATA4SAUGATA4 Posts: 59
    edited 31.10.2014
    Lets hope the horse ranch finally gives something worthwhile after all the money and effort to get the horse shoes. Till now what we havw seen of the ranch is really disappointing.
  • RubyfarmerRubyfarmer Posts: 90
    edited 31.10.2014
    Well said Changnian!!
  • CncmomUser2CncmomUser2 Posts: 11
    edited 31.10.2014
    I'm still upset that I have shells and no way to spend them :)
  • Strange BrewStrange Brew Posts: 34
    edited 01.11.2014
    Well said & quite funny as well!
  • jatoda (US1)jatoda (US1) Posts: 318
    edited 02.11.2014
    Don't they make dog food out of horses? :-)
    What are we feeding our dogs anyway?
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    edited 03.11.2014
    I agree with the OP.....its an update that promised so much and turned out to be a boring disappointment. Still dont see the point of upgrading anything in horse ranch and am finding it hard to be positive about any of the rewards we achieve for participating in competitions. Complete waste of time at this stage, at least give us collectibles as a reward instead of feed....what a joke.
  • Marycat (US1)Marycat (US1) US1 Posts: 33
    edited 03.11.2014
    So what do we get from the horse ranch? Gold horseshoes to upgrade for what purpose? Is it worth the wait? We've waited so long already and spent SO much time and money.
  • Dark Underworld (AU1)Dark Underworld (AU1) AU1 Posts: 2,992
    edited 04.11.2014
    Horse Ranch Is total waste of time and very boring. Which makes Island farm also a big waste of farm $$$ and for the foolish Gold. All you end up with is horse shoes, which I was hoping would help my farm or co op a little from the ranch. Not to be. $200M wasted on the island and no farm upgrades for the month.

    GGS this is a big FAIL!!!!
  • farmerjohn 22 (US1)farmerjohn 22 (US1) US1 Posts: 37,770
    edited 04.11.2014
    Quick suggestion for GGS: When we complete a cycle on our regular farms, we are given a significant reward for our efforts in the form of farmdollars. So if you really want for players to continue playing the island farm and all that follows it, you need to make the reward for completion of the cycle significant also. ($$$$$$$) Otherwise many players (myself included) will feel that it's all just not worth the trouble and go back to just working their regular farms and ignoring the new environment entirely.
  • kbahr007 (US1)kbahr007 (US1) US1 Posts: 1,841
    edited 04.11.2014
    Until they do, i will continue what i did last time, harvesting the fields, orchards, silo, composter, and bar, all on the island. I now have a decent amount of shells that may last because of the grrenhouse humus
  • squeaky7squeaky7 Posts: 1
    edited 05.11.2014
    i agree completely!!!
  • nonon82nonon82 Posts: 22
    edited 05.11.2014
    Changnian, this is prolly the best post I've ever read on this forum :D
  • sssssbbbbbsssssbbbbb Posts: 1
    edited 06.11.2014
    Why dose everyone hate the island farm so much?
    I like it,its a challenege
    Also you can get some awsome things from it,
    If you hate it so much,dont unlock it
  • lois larner (AU1)lois larner (AU1) Posts: 198
    edited 06.11.2014
    well some of us played it form the first time it was available....not realising the huge cost of things, the size of the houses and decos....then they changed the boat taking away a % of cash we would have got and replaced it with horseshoes....
    once farm was unlocked first time....you cant go back....plus they have firmly locked island farm to the horses...i have used well over a million horseshoes on horses and im close to running out and still have plenty more to use...im level 9 on each now and have trained 3 times on each since level 9 and still need another 1800 training points on each so thats at still a lot of horseshoes...4000 horseshoes is what 280 training points so thats still means u kinda have to do island just to fully train horse....yes the horse at moment is boring and a waste of time but until we find out whats next on horse farm im doing it relunctly...yes u think its not costing farm cash but the 30 to 50 million farm dollars pumped into island farm last 2 times each those horseshoes cost a hell of a lot of money
  • OGG (GB1)OGG (GB1) Posts: 66
    edited 06.11.2014
    got to agree,complete waist of time,im now out of horse shoes,and to achieve what ????????bad idea scrap the thing,ive been playing this game for a long time now and the best thing was the island farm,but what happens you take it away,why dont you keep it as a permanent farm,and let us use the shells to buy other things,decorations buildings feed etc !!!!! im using the shells to fills the boat but i cant even use all the deco i buy !!!!!i think heads need to be banged together as the game is becoming stale,especially for the higher level players !!!!!!!!!!!

    p.s i think a whole new permanent farm,with different animals buildings etc,would get everyone excited again,this is what this game badly needs and is crying out for,im sure your earning are way below what it used to be by selling gold etc !!!!!!and this is a great way to get the hands back in the pockets again !!!!!!!!





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  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 06.11.2014
    Please keep in mind though that the horse ranch is not finished yet - a whole bunch of new content especially for high level players has yet to be added. The breeding feature isn't in yet, a multiplayer race variant is not in yet, the complete leveling process also is missing, along with various other additions. And I'm not even talking about another new feature which will require the golden horseshoes to run.

    So, while I understand the ranch can be somewhat repetitive for high level players, but we work on a lot of things to make it more interesting in this very moment.
  • lois larner (AU1)lois larner (AU1) Posts: 198
    edited 06.11.2014
    yes well im done...no horseshoes left...i thought the shell trader would be there 3 days after island event like last time...well my last 70,000 horseshoes are gone and in not even a 1/3 way along level nine on each training session. at this rate i need a few hundred thousand more horseshoes...either bring back shell trader for a visit, but more i think about it i dont think its worth the cost....not interested in racing horses that never win ..
  • Margit kattMargit katt Posts: 153
    edited 28.11.2014
    Seems this thread is not only about the poor horsie, but also the Island.

    But Changnian, you do made me laugh. In some degree I do agree with you completely. It would be good if the horse at least produced some dung for the farms - even the ISland farm as that, as stated in different posts above is very, very costly.

    I also suggest that serious deco's like the oasis ALSO follows over to the main farms as a reward when the event is over. Like if you have completed chapter 1.

    When on lower levels and not being able to spend gold, you do have a serious struggle to go through t at all.

    So:

    1) Let our horse produce dung that can be used on any farm (at least). You get some XP each day you train your dog. Why not get some dung for each day you log in and click the horse (feed it with one click as the dog)?
    2) Let us get something more than golden shoes for say victory no 10, 20 etc. Why not some farm $? it's NO easy task to get 10 vistories in one discipline. It takes a lot og time and is easily compared to the more serious tasks. And it takes a LOT of training shoes....
    3) Let us keep built decos from the Island - at least the oasis.

    This is my suggestions.. Comments?
  • SAUGATA4SAUGATA4 Posts: 59
    edited 19.12.2014
    Well the horse farm is now giving something back atleast. Certainly not enough after the lot of dollars spend on the island farm for the horse shoes. But i like the seeweed items and spincoins etc being ofeered. After all the trouble for the horse ranch we should definitely be rewrded with something that we cannot buy with dollars ie. Gold items.
  • MrSaece (INT1)MrSaece (INT1) INT1 Posts: 147
    edited 19.12.2014
    Changnian wrote: »
    I have stalled development of my serious farms in order to inflate a lazy brother-in-law's island pipe dreams. Each month I invest; each month he goes bust anyway.

    haha..that makes sense..we've been cheated by him for months now..in the end he would just run away with our money and leave us with some seashells..
    actually, it seems like we've been doing charity instead of investing our money and helping him doing business..
    peace..
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 19.12.2014
    Seashells, and some lovely decorations. Why does everyone who complains about the Tropical/Viking Island event, always forget the decorations? Not like the other events, Asia, Nature, etc. give you cash either.

    -Y
  • mbeliever (US1)mbeliever (US1) Posts: 686
    edited 19.12.2014
    Yakoska wrote: »
    Seashells, and some lovely decorations. Why does everyone who complains about the Tropical/Viking Island event, always forget the decorations? Not like the other events, Asia, Nature, etc. give you cash either.

    -Y

    True, but you don't dump millions into the other events. Why would anybody who's still growing their main farms want to invest millions into a temporary farm that doesn't make a return on investment. Personally, I don't think the decorations are worth that much. True, the chapter rewards have a higher happiness per square value, but they still aren't worth millions. As for the ones you can buy with seashells...... They are huge and the only one worth getting is the Oasis in my opinion. I'm on level 54 and I refuse to do more than the first two tasks in chapter one and grow peanuts/sardines for now. That way I can at least get back what I invested, plus a few horseshoes, via the ship. I just never fill it up anymore and I can't train my horses as fast as some of you. So what? It's just a game. It is nice that the horse farm is finally giving us better rewards for the tasks, but it's still not giving enough of a return to warrant me dumping more into the islands. Once I've got spare millions lying around, I'll think about it, but it's just not worth it to me now.
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 20.12.2014
    I'm not saying you are wrong to do what you do with the Tropical/Viking at your level, each farmer has to make their choices. Knowing what I know at lvl 129, I believe I would go for chapter 1 at your level, but again, that would depend on my farm and what other upgrades I needed to do. I think the Apiary/Honey Cream/Soap boon comes around level 70-80... so I would probably wait until after then to go for chapter 2. And for completion, not until I had at least 50 mil, more like 75 mil in the bank. The reason I would do that is this: Time and farm dollars are (until I die, lose my computer, etc.) Unlimited. Assuming you don't unhappiness yourself into bankruptcy. Time continues on. You can always make more money. In the 'end' (Big Farm keeps growing, so 'end' is used lightly here) the commodity that is most valuable is space. Production/space.... Workers/space.... Happiness/space. Because if you play long enough, you hit a limit. Therefore, I value everything in terms of what it does AND how much space it takes.

    But Big Farm IS, if nothing else, a game of decisions based on your available resources, not the least of which is Time On Game (not to be confused with simple time, which passes regardless). The events (small and large) all take a lot of that. So again, it really does come down to each farmer evaluating what is the best use of their resources. I just think the /space issue is important enough to mention (time and again) so that people can, if they want, take advantage of that information if they want.

    -Y

    Edit> Just wanted to add... GGS/BF obviously knows this. This is why the incremental benefits of Happiness/Space have exponential cost increases.

    You want a deco no bigger than 5x4? No problem.Vegetable patch... +17 happiness. Cheap at 8,500, and infinitely better than +0 happiness. Got more money? Ice Cream truck. A mere 140,000 for +28 happiness (or net +11)... not nearly as good a deal... you can always switch to gold... Get even better... or if you want to keep paying in farm dollars... Flowering Bushes... +33 for 350,000... or... finally... (And inevitably, in my opinion)... the Sand Fortress (or 2nd viking ship whatever its going to be called)... +68! A HUGE jump in value. Of course the cost is probably 30-50 mil.... but still, less than Gold :)

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