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Horse attributes in competitions

Kate151Kate151 Posts: 66
Could we please soon have some kind of solid info on what attributes are most important for which competition events?

All it says in the update post is that racing, dressage and jumping are each more dependent on different types of training. It doesn't give any idea how much training of each attribute to aim for in each one...

and the Big Farm opponents seem to be getting in a hell of a lot more training than there are hours in a day. I won a bunch of events to start off with but now I'm getting the stuffing beaten out of me.
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  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 29.10.2014
    Well yes, that's because the Level of the opponents gets higher as well :) Otherwise, the whole concept would be pretty pointless.

    And there should be a lot of hints regarding what attributes you need for which competition. There's a jumping parcour, and one opponent who specialises in jumping.. and so on. I'm sure it's possible to go from there.
  • tracey40 (GB1)tracey40 (GB1) Posts: 113
    edited 29.10.2014
    Latten wrote: »
    Well yes, that's because the Level of the opponents gets higher as well :) Otherwise, the whole concept would be pretty pointless.

    And there should be a lot of hints regarding what attributes you need for which competition. There's a jumping parcour, and one opponent who specialises in jumping.. and so on. I'm sure it's possible to go from there.

    #BFHalloween
  • rie222rie222 Posts: 1,074
    edited 29.10.2014
    My horse did better at the beginning with no or little training then its doing now with a ton of training....Why is this? You would think it would be the opposite...Train your horse and it would win more comps not less!!!
  • enochnock (US1)enochnock (US1) Posts: 878
    edited 29.10.2014
    Just hitch a wagon on this horse to ride the workers around, maybe they will get some excitement out of the horse.
  • edited 29.10.2014
    rie222 wrote: »
    My horse did better at the beginning with no or little training then its doing now with a ton of training....Why is this? You would think it would be the opposite...Train your horse and it would win more comps not less!!!

    Maybe I can help with a little perspective based on personal experience. I have been doing intensive training on my horse and upgrading since the beginning. No gold use, but as much as I could fit in a day. In the beginning, all the horses were at a beginner level - mine and the competition's.

    I won a few races/events by luck before training once. You gain experience (and level up) after each training. You gain more by training in upgraded horse area. As always, earlier levels require less experience, or training, to advance. So, in the beginning, after one training, you level up in an area and you have much better stats than your competition, and will win often. But, your competition improves, too. And, I always compete against everyone after each training. Why not? The cool-down after a loss is shorter than my next training session anyway.

    As you progress, it takes much more training to get to the next level. In fact, to get from level 9 to level 10, my horse will need 10 intensive training sessions in each horse area. And, the competition has been improving, too, so wins are less easily achieved.

    So, back to personal experience, I won a lot in the beginning because I was able to level up and progress faster than the GGS competition. I upgraded my horse training areas as I was able. By the time my horse had level 8 for the 3 training types, I was losing very often. It was frustrating. Now, my horse is at level 9 in the 3 training types, and wins about two races/events after each training, which is just fine to keep those golden horseshoes coming in. And, it's nice to have the build/construction slot open for other things, too.

    So, although very boring to watch the horse stand in an area for the "intensive training", I do see progress. Things will pick up for you again, too. It won't be the mad dash we had initially, but a fun distraction perhaps. And, we were promised much more, so I look forward to that.

    Anyway, that's my personal experience. I hope it's of some use.
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  • Kate151Kate151 Posts: 66
    edited 29.10.2014
    It's making more sense now.

    I like the horse ranch, GGS have made a real effort to make this a pretty realistic simulation of how horse training works which isn't easy. As I said elsewhere.

    I wish all the complainers would get a clue. It's about patience like the rest of the game.

    I'm hoping eventually we'll be able to sell the horses we breed and train. Maybe that's what they meant in the update post, about closing the resource loop? This is why I always thought the horse ranch idea could work. Good horses with training are worth a lot of money.
  • Lexc13Lexc13 Posts: 18
    edited 29.10.2014
    lol finally a thread not complaining about the horse farm. I'm not sure why people seem so confused by it. Most of what I've experienced makes sense. Why wouldn't we want it to be challenging then people would probably complain it was too easy. By the way the attributes thing really just takes common sense. Plus the fact that when you lose it does recommend that you do particular training that might help. I really think people are way overthinking this. Seems they feel it necessary for every tiny detail and how exactly to play explained to them. Doesn't anybody just like to figure things out anymore.
  • rie222rie222 Posts: 1,074
    edited 29.10.2014
    Thanks Alabaster...this is what I'm doing as well running challenges after I upgrade. I'm at level 9 on my horse and training areas level 4 and L3. It just is slow going. Happy farming to you!
  • kelliealliekellieallie Posts: 1
    edited 29.10.2014
    Kate151 wrote: »
    Could we please soon have some kind of solid info on what attributes are most important for which competition events?

    All it says in the update post is that racing, dressage and jumping are each more dependent on different types of training. It doesn't give any idea how much training of each attribute to aim for in each one...

    and the Big Farm opponents seem to be getting in a hell of a lot more training than there are hours in a day. I won a bunch of events to start off with but now I'm getting the stuffing beaten out of me.

    can you give me a horse to ride kate?icon11.png :huh:
  • Kate151Kate151 Posts: 66
    edited 29.10.2014
    Lexc13 wrote: »
    By the way the attributes thing really just takes common sense. Plus the fact that when you lose it does recommend that you do particular training that might help.

    I haven't noticed any recommendations?? Will watch out for that.

    What I'm wondering about specifically is what you can do best with a horse that has more training in endurance and agility, but not so much in strength. Since I somehow found that was what I was heading for after a few rounds of training.

    It seems to me that strength has to be a significant factor in all three of the challenges, and that may be why I started losing almost all the time. But I'm not taking screen shots of the challenge text boxes and not getting many opportunities to read them.

    Maybe the help (? texts) could be made more useful.
  • Ria_ ()Ria_ () Posts: 280
    edited 30.10.2014
    Randomness gives weird results. Or could it be that starting with George most of the time causes this.


    I think it should be:
    Jumping: strenght-agility-endurance
    Dressage: agility-endurance-strength
    Running (don't remember the right word): endurance-strenght-agility
  • Lesley52 (GB1)Lesley52 (GB1) Posts: 1,590
    edited 30.10.2014
    Dare I speak to soon Won 3 events in a row using more horseshoes to train but dont have a shed load to keep doing that if horse permanate Only upgraded each ground once Only 10 gold horseshoes towards next upgrade
  • Lexc13Lexc13 Posts: 18
    edited 30.10.2014
    Kate151 wrote: »
    I haven't noticed any recommendations?? Will watch out for that.

    I don't wait for all the text but just hit skip. When it tells you that you loss the last line usually says maybe training endurance, or whatever, might give you better results. That's not the exact text but something very similar. In training at the moment so I can't take a screen shot but yes it does help to read the text. I guess it might help to read the others but I'm too impatient. Also it does say in the announcement as example that the main attribute for jumping is strenght and I think for racing it might be endurance. They don't detail each one in the announcement but I don't think they want to tell you exactly what to do. In my opinion that would kind of kill the fun of figuring out things for yourself.
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 30.10.2014
    Tip: When you click on the challenge, you see you horses stats, and one is highlighted Green, one light green, and one not at all. Its seems clear that the darker Green is the most important skill for that challenge, the light green 2nd, and the white one least thus (And I think it agrees with the post above, but I'm looking at these as I type:

    Racing: Endurance, Strength, then Agility
    Dressage: Agilty, Endurance, Strength
    Jumping: Strength, Agility, Endurance.

    Thus, all are most, and least important in at least one of the disciplines.

    As for why winning early, and losing later, that was pretty much covered. Every win improves your competition. Every training doesn't necessarily improve your horse now. I got 'lucky' at one point and won 3 in a row at 26%, 24% and 22% odds.... when I should have won 1-4... but in the end, all that's made me do is go 0-3 for awhile, and the odds catch up.

    -Y
  • Lexc13Lexc13 Posts: 18
    edited 30.10.2014
    I noticed that as well but didn't real pay close attention to it.

    Thanks Yakoska

    screen shots, maybe these can help.

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    I actually sat throught all the text it doesnt seem to be very helpful though guess I'll keep skipping it.

    Edit by PINJO: merged posts, please use edit button
  • DragondamDragondam Posts: 22
    edited 30.10.2014
    I do understand the idea of training to improve in 1 of the 3 areas however since upgrading arena to lvl 4 I trained there constantly, which in theory means I should have a better chance in racing. The problem is that I have been having wins in the other 2 and no wins in racing so these tips don't seem to work.
    Just a couple of points about the layout, the graphics for race training are accurate, it looks like a track with fence along the middle, I have never known of a racehorse to be trained in an arena. Jumping is accurate but dressage is trained in an arena not in a round pen/riding circle.
  • Yakoska (US1)Yakoska (US1) Posts: 1,631
    edited 30.10.2014
    What level is your racing opponent? What level is your horse, and what level are the other opponents? These all matter.

    -Y
  • Kate151Kate151 Posts: 66
    edited 31.10.2014
    What bugs me is that the opponents are all now up near level 20 and I am still at level 8 in all three attributes, even though I've been training non-stop.

    It seems there's no point trying to train your horse as a 3-day eventer who can do all 3 challenges. You just get too far behind in all of them. I suppose this is fair enough since you wouldn't enter an 3-day event horse in a track race.

    That doesn't help me get horseshoes to upgrade my facilities tho :)
  • tracey40 (GB1)tracey40 (GB1) Posts: 113
    edited 31.10.2014
    I have had a grand total of 2 wins between lvl6-9. In that time I competed in all 3 categories each time a training session had finished. So somewhere in the region of 30 competitions. This was a mistake! Opposition horses gain far more from each race than I can in training so I've come to the conclusion that the only way to run the horse ranch is NOT to compete until your 'breedability' score is way higher than your opponent. Trouble is that now all opponents have breedability scores of 10 and over. It'll take months to get my nag up to that level.
  • Kate151Kate151 Posts: 66
    edited 01.11.2014
    I don't think competing and losing makes any difference?? I'm competing in all 3 every time I complete a session. It's down to blind chance whether I win any of them, so I don't see an alternative. I'm winning maybe 1 in 6 currently, which makes upgrade progress extremely slow; meanwhile the opponents are just getting better and better.

    I'm pretty screwed. Even now that I'm focusing on agility training, I'll still fall further and further behind the opponents.

    And I'm confused by all the different measurements of my horse's capability. What is "breedability"? Is that the number under the pink love-heart? How is it calculated?

    I found the reason I wasn't seeing the recommended training tip. You have to click for "Details" after you win/lose (almost always lose) a competition.
  • lois larner (AU1)lois larner (AU1) Posts: 198
    edited 01.11.2014
    well for me since i upgraded each of the arenas to level 3 winning a race does not happen....im level 8 almost 9 on each of the training but last time i won a competition was level 6 on training....i compete in all 3 events lose all 3 train horse compete lose all 3 train etc etc....i have now given up on horses...whats the point, if u cant win a race to get gold horseshoes to upgrade arena then why bother...the last 8 x 3 competitions i have lost...horse gets trained after each lose...


    well another 2 rounds of upgrading and competitions and loosing again...im sorry but that now makes 10 x 3 competitions in a row that i have lost. as well as 10 training sessions..thats 3 x strength, 3 x endurance and 4 x agility( now level 9 in that only need 2,601 training points for level 10...sooooo many horseshoes)..what do u have to do to win a race to get golden horseshoes?????? only need 240 for upgrading arena to level 4 of each...but when you dont win a race for 4 days its just sad



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    once again my post has been removed... why???? there was nothing rude in it....why is there so much censoring in the forums these days....often i read a post and go back a bit latter to find the post removed....why...
    whats so wrong about wanting my post seperate the way i wanted it...i dont c the need for them to be merged

    after a day the thread gets lost ...so adding another comment brings it back to the top....how long time wise before post gets to be separate and not merged??????
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