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Update 18.03. - Happiness achieved

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  • Nancy41Nancy41 Posts: 1
    edited 20.03.2014
    I have had to put out almost all my deco I had in storage, and I am not even close to being back at 0 happiness. This is not fair. We play the game because we love the distraction and we all work hard to achieve 0 happiness. If you are going to make the happiness harder to get than the decrease in happiness from homes should be lower.
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 20.03.2014
    Nancy41 wrote: »
    I have had to put out almost all my deco I had in storage, and I am not even close to being back at 0 happiness. This is not fair. We play the game because we love the distraction and we all work hard to achieve 0 happiness. If you are going to make the happiness harder to get than the decrease in happiness from homes should be lower.

    the decrease in running cost in the positive area back to close to 0% in the new system is easier actually than the old system. it's more a matter of what "running cost" you could reach by putting all your decos in your farm before the update and what "running cost" you can reach now by doing that in comparison.
  • Blomme2Blomme2 Posts: 1
    edited 20.03.2014
    As many others I am very discontent with the reduction in happiness. I am curently running the seperate farms, as my children started playing the game but lost interest because their farms developed too slowly. On my main farm I used to be at 100%, after the reduction I went to 86%. This is a very noticable difference.

    I just learned that one of our key players in our coop has decided to quit playing simply because og the happiness reduction. She has been spending gold and thus giving money for the game providers. She and many like her will stop and it will cost the money hunger game providers with less money earned. This is sheer stupidity.

    I like playing but must consider that three farms may be two too many. There will ultimately be two less farms where I will spend money occationally if I do not decide to stop playing all together.

    I think this change has to be reconsidered. Give different max happiness depending on how many different farm animals we have or something, but let those who have well balanced farms have the chance to reach 100 %. Increase the min cost for each product to reduce our earnings, if that's the reason for this change, but do something soon or many key players will be gone!
  • Richard Medders2Richard Medders2 Posts: 3
    edited 20.03.2014
    Keep it civil?
    Well, unfortunately that is not really possible when people have been taken advantage of after spending gold that they bought and millions of dollars on charity drives that are totally worthless now.

    You change has created an unfair advantage for the players. -100 running cost is totally unattainable now and don't tell me it isn't. I spent 8 million dollars for a retarded telescope and the maximum change in running cost was 2%.

    You are charging the players for GGS inability to provide new and exciting farms in the last year. We should not have to pay for your failures. New farms would have generated a wave of new gold buying. But instead you come out with this broken new background screen that has worked since you installed it. Just to keep people quiet for a while about the game becoming boring. Didn't work from day one nice try.

    As I stated in a What do you think reply, Why not turn the farm into a deco farm that way we don't waste time buying and building farm facilities. Many including my self spend big dollars in gold to handle our running cost and you have now destroyed that after taking our money when we bought your gold.

    As I have explained to all in our coop, "Decease from buying gold and deco's" that have no effect on running cost. Play the game as is.

    Very shameful of GGS to charge the customer for their failure to provide new and exiting farms. Instead we get broken down horse stables, Boats that don't sail, a glass house with nobody in it and a retarded glass build to show how stupid we as players were in the beginning to buy such foolish items now and display them to the world.

    You have had an entire year to create a new farm and wasted it on such nonsense as what we have today. Very Very sad. I don't want to quit the game I want to be here to see this thing collapse. Sad, Sad

    Oh and the new Gourmet farm? Will avoid if possible, that way I don't waste time on it
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 20.03.2014
    i am getting tired of having my posts deleted... delete the offending parts please and let the rest stand, and give me a reason.
    Most ( not all) of my posts also include topic related stuff presented in a withing the rules manner, and i demand that gets to stay!

    thank you.
  • rie222rie222 Posts: 1,074
    edited 20.03.2014
    Latten wrote: »
    We never had any intention to make players feel punished for building on and reaching the happiness maximum. If we left the maximum as it was though, we couldn't bring any more decoration with higher values into the game, so all rewards for upcoming things would pretty much be the same, and everything would get pretty boring pretty quickly. We already saw this kind of comments when we introduced the new difficulty for themed events, I'm sure you remember that.

    Alright, feel free to continue the discussion, stay nice and we're glad to have you around, guys.
    Timo

    Ok this is the thing Latten you said that it was to make some consequences for those players who had no happiness on their farm. No decorations. The fact of the matter is you punished those who had decorations to the hilt! You punished those who bought decorations with their hard earned dollars and supported the company. So what you say makes no sense. BTW I am also supportive of those players who ran with no decos, its their farm (even though i ran mine at 300% most of the time). So the only sort of apology at this point that will work for me will not be the one that will work in words, it won't be one that will work with a substitute, the only one that will work is by removing this update and returning the game to prior update.
  • nig4x4nig4x4 Posts: 58
    edited 20.03.2014
    Thanks for this information Latten, this is what should have been posted prior to the happiness revamp (I assume the fault of the late info is on the part of GGS not yourself) and is what I generally suspected the background to the revamp was.

    In simple terms as I see it, players wanted higher value decs, they got them, they wanted higher storage capacity, they got them, they wanted higher lever houses and production, they got them, they wanted more farms, they got them......as a result it has made the game top heavy and so these changes have had to be made to re-balance and for future development (which is also being cried for).

    Now was it the new players, or the lower, or mid level players that cried for increased this or that......and is it those new/lower/mid level players that seem to be disgruntled with the happiness revamp!

    There is an old adage, " be careful what you wish for ............".
  • SpeedyDog10SpeedyDog10 Posts: 258
    edited 20.03.2014
    rie222 wrote: »
    So the only sort of apology at this point that will work for me will not be the one that will work in words, it won't be one that will work with a substitute, the only one that will work is by removing this update and returning the game to prior update.

    Doubt that will happen. The previous posts I think Latten already stated the happiness stays as is.
  • Marcella59Marcella59 Posts: 59
    edited 20.03.2014
    Well, if we can't have the happiness back the way it was, get a refund for the gold spent, at least a possibility to reach -100% or an apology then let them quit messing around and do whatever they're going to do to the gourmet farm so I can decide whether or not I want to keep playing.
  • Niryn (INT1)Niryn (INT1) INT1 Posts: 255
    edited 20.03.2014
    Latten, thank you for being the messenger.

    I'm sorry for my initial angry tone if it offended anyone, was troubled by the update announcement being a bit misleading since I thought I knew what to expect. D:
    I feel a lot better having heard the folks over there actually know the update wasn't announced as well as it could have been. I'm not bothered that the game has to become harder, it's in GGS's rights to change their game, and I do believe I signed the Terms of Use that stated so. It's also everyone's human right to make mistakes, nothing unforgivable has happened imo. X) (to me, I do understand some players that payed for decorations with gold might feel worse though)
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 20.03.2014
    Just a heads up guys.

    Shows that several posts got deleted.. made by several players, me being one.

    The weird thing is.. NO MODERATOR WAS ONLINE DURING THE DELETION.
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 20.03.2014
    ladygrail wrote: »
    Just a heads up guys.

    Shows that several posts got deleted.. made by several players, me being one.

    The weird thing is.. NO MODERATOR WAS ONLINE DURING THE DELETION.

    I'm running out of patience with these ppl and their conspiracies, so whichever mod deleted the posts make it clear plz here, and i sincerely ask again to take a serious action against this flood, cause no matter how many times their posts get deleted they just keep continuing to drive off the discussion into off-topic.
  • randy60 (US1)randy60 (US1) US1 Posts: 66
    edited 20.03.2014
    Thank you Latten,
  • randy60 (US1)randy60 (US1) US1 Posts: 66
    edited 20.03.2014
    ladygrail wrote: »
    Just a heads up guys.

    Shows that several posts got deleted.. made by several players, me being one.

    The weird thing is.. NO MODERATOR WAS ONLINE DURING THE DELETION.

    Latten said he removed them, did you read his post???
  • Marcella59Marcella59 Posts: 59
    edited 20.03.2014
    Griffith wrote: »
    I'm running out of patience with these ppl and their conspiracies, so whichever mod deleted the posts make it clear plz here, and i sincerely ask again to take a serious action against this flood, cause no matter how many times their posts get deleted they just keep continuing to drive off the discussion into off-topic.

    I see nothing about the topic in this post delete it
  • Ellenbrock2011GEllenbrock2011G Posts: 5
    edited 20.03.2014
    Latten, thank you for the acknowledgment. I am just speaking for myself when I say that if the happiness change had been presented this way in the first place, I would have understood more. There would still be some disappointment, but I would have had time to process the changes. It means a lot to hear this. And thank you for all your patience and hard work.
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 20.03.2014
    Guys, again - please keep the offtopic to a minimum :) I don't like to delete posts, but I'll do it again ^^

    @Ellenbrock: Yeah, that's exactly how it should have been announced :) We're very sorry about how we handled things this time, we were really low on info and so were you. Again, we'll try to make up for it :)
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 20.03.2014
    randy60 wrote: »
    Latten said he removed them, did you read his post???

    :) Yes i read that post.. and that was for some posts deleted before, but i got several Pms from other ppl whos posts were also deleted, and since it was no longer just me and my friend.. i got concerned..

    And edit posts without just deleting it all if it contains on topic stuff maybe?

    My point with the heads up was not.. "poor me"

    But be aware that posts get deleted WITHOUT a mod online, that is responsible, and that one can talk to about it.
  • Trippel (NL1)Trippel (NL1) Posts: 299
    edited 20.03.2014
    Griffith wrote: »
    the decrease in running cost in the positive area back to close to 0% in the new system is easier actually than the old system. it's more a matter of what "running cost" you could reach by putting all your decos in your farm before the update and what "running cost" you can reach now by doing that in comparison.

    Thank you for your good advice. And to make this comparison possible you suggest to undo the update?
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 20.03.2014
    Trippel2 wrote: »
    Thank you for your good advice. And to make this comparison possible you suggest to undo the update?

    the estimated formula for old happiness system exists in forum threads, same as how the graph for the new one has been made already (example +325 happiness in total was -100% happiness and any happiness more than that was in vain) so remains only doing the mathematics, which i expect players to do it themselves, rather than asking for an update to be rolled back (which won't happen anyway cause the scale of effect and importance of this update on the more upcoming updates from now on is much bigger than what you guys think it is), to see whether i'm right about that idea or not.
  • Dadfish (US1)Dadfish (US1) Posts: 13
    edited 20.03.2014
    Right...No offense, Griffith, but to "expect" thaqt the players in here are going to try and "do the math" as you put it is a bit presumptuous of anybody. Most of us in here are here to kill time and have fun, not analyze the numbers and data to figure out why our happiness went from 100% to 85%.. All we can see is the numbers went down dramatically, and to achieve that holy grail of percentages(100%) is now pretty much impossible to reach unless we triple or quadruple the amount of real money we have already invested to buy more gold..
  • edited 20.03.2014
    PLEASE HELP!!! My husband & daughter have farms on WWW1 Server. Hubby is LVL 85 & has GOLD + 27 Gold Certificates + all 3 farms are production maxed - can generate a lot of cash demolishing (since support wont respond to delete farms). Daughter is only lvl 56, but has gold & goodies to DONATE to a good coop also. We had a family coop - ALL of us have quit playing - WWW1 server coop players, PLEASE contact us to recieve donations if your group will continue playing but WONT be buying Gold any longer for game play. Want to donate to a good coop that WONT continue feeding the 'blinded by profit' developers that we loved so much yesterday. Personal Messages ONLY!
    Happy Gaming all - here or elsewhere - Hugz
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 20.03.2014
    SUMMARY SO FAR.

    In this thread alone.

    So, up til today a whopping 317 different ppl have made atleast one post on this thread, so ive counted and done some adding up. Here are my results:

    Players that are happy or atleast ok with the update: 33 = 10,4%
    Players that are anything from not ok to very mad at the update: 246 = 77,8%
    Players that are indifferent, or not decided : 13 = 4,1%
    Players that just made a comment ( of topic or not saying y/n): 24 = 7,6%
    player(s) that just spouted gibberish : 1 = 0,1%
    _______________________________________________________________________________________

    players in total : 317 = 100%

    Of these disatisfied players, a lot said they would stop playing, and the results will be clear within a few weeks i guess.
    Lots more would keep playing, but stop buying gold.
  • SpeedyDog10SpeedyDog10 Posts: 258
    edited 20.03.2014
    ladygrail wrote: »
    SUMMARY SO FAR.

    Players that are happy or atleast ok with the update: 33 = 10,4%
    Players that are anything from not ok to very mad at the update: 246 = 77,8%
    Players that are indifferent, or not decided : 13 = 4,1%
    Players that just made a comment ( of topic or not saying y/n): 24 = 7,6%
    player(s) that just spouted gibberish : 1 = 0,1%
    _______________________________________________________________________________________

    players in total : 317 = 100%

    For the players that are anything from not ok to very mad at the update: 246 = 77.8%, is it safe to round this off to 80%? :)
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 20.03.2014
    For the players that are anything from not ok to very mad at the update: 246 = 77.8%, is it safe to round this off to 80%? :)

    After spending all these hours counting.. yes, i would say its a fairly safe thing to say:)

    If you just take those that are for and agaisnt tho.. the against is 88% versus 12% for :)
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 20.03.2014
    some random statistics again, qualified, counted and judged and confirmed by 2 of the ppl who i refer to as "angry mob" and "flooder" in this thread ofc.

    plus i don't see, number of players "annoyed", "afraid to post", "tired of your blasphemy and conspiracies" in your list, so no offense but let's just say we leave that counting to mod and ggs themselves.
    cause if i count and post my statistics here opposing yours again, it'll become a off-topic show again.
  • Kitty ReedKitty Reed Posts: 80
    edited 20.03.2014
    Is anyone back up their -99.9 happiness ?
    If so, what did you all lose ?
    Or how did you achieve it ?
  • Sueyuen2Sueyuen2 Posts: 2
    edited 20.03.2014
    okay! I am now learning this game and it is going slow for now.:huh:
  • edited 20.03.2014
    Dadfish2 wrote: »
    Right...No offense, Griffith, but to "expect" thaqt the players in here are going to try and "do the math" as you put it is a bit presumptuous of anybody. Most of us in here are here to kill time and have fun, not analyze the numbers and data to figure out why our happiness went from 100% to 85%.. All we can see is the numbers went down dramatically, and to achieve that holy grail of percentages(100%) is now pretty much impossible to reach unless we triple or quadruple the amount of real money we have already invested to buy more gold..
    thank you great post
  • SpeedyDog10SpeedyDog10 Posts: 258
    edited 20.03.2014
    Kitty Reed wrote: »
    Is anyone back up their -99.9 happiness ?
    If so, what did you all lose ?
    Or how did you achieve it ?

    With the new formula and current happiness levels of decos, it would seem not worth it to attempt raising it beyond the -89%. You can read more about it here.
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