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Update 18.03. - Happiness achieved

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  • wickedwitchy (US1)wickedwitchy (US1) Posts: 58
    edited 19.03.2014
    Lulu 37 Player GGS will really hit hard after this due to the social media site they are advertised on.This is going across the web and there will be no new players if people keep on talking and talking about this.GGS just shot their selves in the foot with this update.This update will stop players from coming here because of those warning others not to even bother and to pick another game were they won't feel robbed or cheated.
  • bigpapa12bigpapa12 Posts: 87
    edited 19.03.2014
    Lulu 37 Player GGS will really hit hard after this due to the social media site they are advertised on.This is going across the web and there will be no new players if people keep on talking and talking about this.GGS just shot their selves in the foot with this update.This update will stop players from coming here because of those warning others not to even bother and to pick another game were they won't feel robbed or cheated.

    I guess my advice to people following this path would make sure that everything you say is 100% absolutely true. If so you may not have any problems, but if not well just put it this way I wouldn't recommend it, because everything you say on here and any other media site is admissible.

    P.S. No not employed by ggs lol just watching out for the mob,
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 19.03.2014
    "Grabs a bucket to go water the baconless pigs, and stuffs an apple in mouth to keep quiet "
  • wickedwitchy (US1)wickedwitchy (US1) Posts: 58
    edited 19.03.2014
    bigpapa12 still love ya but hate the update and give it a month or two and we shall see i guess hugs!
  • FarmingGamerFarmingGamer Posts: 107
    edited 19.03.2014
    ladygrail wrote: »
    "Grabs a bucket to go water the baconless pigs, and stuffs an apple in mouth to keep quiet "

    FarmingGamer ties ladygrail's hands with a rope made of Fallen Leaves
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 19.03.2014
    FarmingGamer ties ladygrail's hands with a rope made of Fallen Leaves

    Oh dear.. and i thought it was spring, not fall.... i need to water the trees too ;)
  • wickedwitchy (US1)wickedwitchy (US1) Posts: 58
    edited 19.03.2014
    farminggamer I need those leaves lol do not tie her up with them hehehe
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 19.03.2014
    this rope seem to be slightly fragile:) also very hard to manouver a bucket while tied, lol
  • Jiesta (NL1)Jiesta (NL1) Posts: 6,557
    edited 19.03.2014
    I have read all the threads that have been writting. I don't reply much because my English is not very good. So I apoligize already for the mistakes i will make.

    I can understand why people are uppset and angry. But for ggs these updates cost a lot of money. So I don't think the will undo it. Even when big players will quit the game for this update. On long terme base ggs will not feel it, because other players will come, will spend money for buying gold. Life goes on, this game too.

    In the thread from the egg's people ask for a game a little more realistic. Perhaps the same players who are now complaining that the don't have -100% anymore. I can tell you that producing for free is not realistic. On a real farm the can do a lot of things to improve the farm, but they never produce for free. So it seems to me that -80% or -90% is far more realistic.

    I think that people have to realize that this is a game. It is ment to have fun. I can see a lot of people don't have fun anymore. You can do different things right now:
    1. you can continue to be angry, but I don't think you will hurt ggs, I think you only hurt yourselfs
    2. you can disagree with the update, but still playing and try to get used to it and try to have fun again
    3. you can quit.

    I hope I don't have hurt anyones feelings. If I did, I'm sorry, I did'nt want to.


    Bravo Lulu37Player: well spoken!! I am sure many more people feel the same and do not want to post that often or not at all in forums (especially not this one, since there is so much aggressiveness/intimidation). Hats off to you - you at least tried and kept it civil!!
  • FarmingGamerFarmingGamer Posts: 107
    edited 19.03.2014
    ladygrail wrote: »
    this rope seem to be slightly fragile:) also very hard to manouver a bucket while tied, lol

    lolllllllll ok ,fg untied lg's hands and sits in the corner of the discussion room loosening up the leaves one by one and gives the fallen leaves to wicked ;)
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 19.03.2014
    lolllllllll ok ,fg untied lg's hands and sits in the corner of the discussion room loosening up the leaves one by one and gives the fallen leaves to wicked ;)
    see.. everyone can be made happy ;)
  • bigpapa12bigpapa12 Posts: 87
    edited 19.03.2014
    bigpapa12 still love ya but hate the update and give it a month or two and we shall see i guess hugs!

    thank you appreciate it, same back to ya. Realizing no more sense in debating about the update with people anymore cause everyone has their side and that's just the way it is, not gonna change. Trying to keep on open mind from all perspectives and will just keep my own perspective to myself for I don't like the endless argument. But can at least TRY to cheer some up along the way.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 19.03.2014
    bigpapa12 wrote: »
    thank you appreciate it, same back to ya. Realizing no more sense in debating about the update with people anymore cause everyone has their side and that's just the way it is, not gonna change. Trying to keep on open mind from all perspectives and will just keep my own perspective to myself for I don't like the endless argument. But can at least TRY to cheer some up along the way.

    I notice you and i may not agree on the update, but i do agree its nice to have fun, and i did listen to ur link and alltho its not my type of music , i appreciate the gesture:)
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 19.03.2014
    I don't get it my friend. How is the GF revamp will affect the major drop in happiness all over the game? I do not think that GGS intends to make it so that if you build a Peach Orchard, it will give you a boost of +15% happiness all over the farms.

    So I honestly fail to understand how the 2 things are tied together and that waiting for the GF revamp will change anything about happiness levels... unless you think that because of that revamp, people will forget about this major hit they just got? I do not believe that will happen Latten.

    I hope you can give us more info and possibly a good news that will correct this.

    Have a good day,

    Instant Ocean
    PS: Thanks for posting... at least we know we are being heard.

    It will not change the happiness levels as they are, but it will affect the way you play the second farm immensely, and the way how it interacts with the main farm. I don't want to say too much yet, but especially if you're going for production first and foremost, you might be very surprised how the change might affect your income on both farms.

    And yup, I know how vague this sounds :)
  • fro3fro3 Posts: 42
    edited 19.03.2014
    This is about so much more than a happiness formula.

    No matter what happens with the gourmet farm revamp, you have still lost our trust. We bought gold and you devalued it. We expressed our extreme disapproval and you still did it anyway. Buying any more would be foolish.

    Does GGS really understand the impact of this decision?
  • wickedwitchy (US1)wickedwitchy (US1) Posts: 58
    edited 19.03.2014
    They do but it's all about gold buying though so they could care less fro3 and they have lost our trust and soon to them that will truly show more than they know.
  • SpeedyDog10SpeedyDog10 Posts: 258
    edited 19.03.2014
    Latten wrote: »
    It will not change the happiness levels as they are, but it will affect the way you play the second farm immensely, and the way how it interacts with the main farm. I don't want to say too much yet, but especially if you're going for production first and foremost, you might be very surprised how the change might affect your income on both farms.

    And yup, I know how vague this sounds :)

    There you go. (1) The happiness upgrade stays as is. (2) With "that might affect your income" part, gosh I hope it's not another 15%-20% surprise drop in income. Sorry Latten, can't help it. :P Can't blame us if we take what you say with a grain of salt from now on. Hehe. Peace. :)
  • Freida (US1)Freida (US1) Posts: 12
    edited 19.03.2014
    Latten, you are totally wrong.....HUGE BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!! I am not happy at all...and listen to the players!!!! You are about to lose a lot of good players. I have spent a lot of money on this farm and I am thoroughly disgusted that you are able to downgrade my happiness without my approval. Not to mention, constantly changing the buildings and farms so that we have to upgrade everything all the time. I like improvements, but you are absolutely going about this the wrong way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 19.03.2014
    what i dont understand is... How hard can it be for GGS to simply post the planned ( or most of the planned) changes on the forum, in time for people to react, and or change their style.
    I mean.. THEY must know what they are doing?? right?
  • Freida (US1)Freida (US1) Posts: 12
    edited 19.03.2014
    Agreed with totally!!!
  • Instant Ocean (US1)Instant Ocean (US1) US1 Posts: 189
    edited 19.03.2014
    Latten wrote: »
    It will not change the happiness levels as they are, but it will affect the way you play the second farm immensely, and the way how it interacts with the main farm. I don't want to say too much yet, but especially if you're going for production first and foremost, you might be very surprised how the change might affect your income on both farms.

    And yup, I know how vague this sounds :)
    Latten,

    Yeah, it is vague, thx for admitting it. LOL

    But if I read between the lines, are you trying to tell us that the changes in the GF will bring so much more money that it will balance out the loss we incurred with the "new happiness" formula? Is that what you are implying? Because trust me mate, it better be REALLY good to make all those angry players to let go of this "update" yesterday.

    Just saying...

    EDIT: Oh, if that is the case, all players will be affected including Production Farmers, so what's difference really? They already told you guys that it is not making a difference to them and they will continue playing the way they are (which I have no problem with BTW)... but I am concerned about the loss of income the devaluation of my gold that I have purchased and invested on my farm. So really, I'm not sure why or how this revamp of the GF has anything to do with the Happiness formula.


    Have a good one and thx for your swift reply.

    Instant Ocean
  • bigpapa12bigpapa12 Posts: 87
    edited 19.03.2014
    ladygrail wrote: »
    what i dont understand is... How hard can it be for GGS to simply post the planned ( or most of the planned) changes on the forum, in time for people to react, and or change their style.
    I mean.. THEY must know what they are doing?? right?

    totally agree with that but with that being said not so sure, at least in this case if it woulda mattered. No I take that back in this case I am sure everyone that is upset would still be upset, just for possible different reasons.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 19.03.2014
    bigpapa12 wrote: »
    totally agree with that but with that being said not so sure, at least in this case if it woulda mattered. No I take that back in this case I am sure everyone that is upset would still be upset, just for possible different reasons.

    True, but the reasons would be based on more correct information, ( or atleast it would be clear who lied:) )and it would have spared the mods the job as gobetweens, and sometimes taking the blame for the whole thing.

    That said, and no offense Latten.. but I do feel you mods are being too faithful to GGs here , instead of the Game...
  • bigpapa12bigpapa12 Posts: 87
    edited 19.03.2014
    Latten,

    Yeah, it is vague, thx for admitting it. LOL

    But if I read between the lines, are you trying to tell us that the changes in the GF will bring so much more money that it will balance out the loss we incurred with the "new happiness" formula? Is that what you are implying? Because trust me mate, it better be REALLY good to make all those angry players to let go of this "update" yesterday.

    Just saying...

    Have a good one and thx for your swift reply.

    Instant Ocean

    Not so sure that is the case but what I believe he is getting at is don't go do radical changes to your farm only to have to do it again when the gf is updated. Which everyone on this board knows the reaction that will get when joefarmer spends money time and possibly gold to change stuff and then finds out it should have been changed or maybe not changed in another fashion
  • Instant Ocean (US1)Instant Ocean (US1) US1 Posts: 189
    edited 19.03.2014
    bigpapa12 wrote: »
    Not so sure that is the case but what I believe he is getting at is don't go do radical changes to your farm only to have to do it again when the gf is updated. Which everyone on this board knows the reaction that will get when joefarmer spends money time and possibly gold to change stuff and then finds out it should have been changed or maybe not changed in another fashion
    Yeah, that part they made pretty clear, but I really don't get the relation between the Happiness formula and the GF revamp.

    Don't really know where they are going with this and how will it change anything to what they have done. From the lil' I know, the 2 are not related.

    IO
  • ArtmakerArtmaker Posts: 415
    edited 19.03.2014
    I have been on line since 98. Selling crafts, art, graphics.. freelancing. I have seen this exact same sort of thing over and over. I'm going to share...

    Now the sites in question have nothing to do with games. I will not say what they are, just that people can post "stuff" set their own prices and the site markets.


    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    First one. Was the first of it's kind. So for awhile the only one of it's kind. Free membership was available but very limited. Paid membership was the way to go if your serious.

    Then they got bit by the stupid and greedy bug. Changed the rules.
    Suddenly, in an attempt to "level the playing field" they fixed prices so everyone got the exact same percentage.
    Didn't matter if one item was outstanding and took countless hours to create and the one next to it took all of three min. Didn't matter. Everyone would get the same (low) percentage across the board.

    Well.... Just like here. Their forums LIT UP with complaints.
    The company set up a specific area just for complaints. Under the guise of "letting them know how you feel."
    But that would only be up for a set period of time then it would be deleted.
    When it was deleted, ANY AND ALL complaints were deleted. Posters were sent warnings not to do that in their forums. If anyone kept complaining, they were banned from the forums. Could not even read them. By now other sites like this one had sprung up. But don't dare mention them in their forums. Certain banning would follow any such post.
    Basically they swept everything under the rug. Out of sight out of mind.

    Well... I moved to one of the now many other sites. They opened the doors and there was in fact a mass exodus.
    It actually caused problems on the new site due to the sudden influx of new members. A matter they quickly and happily fixed.

    Now that site? Its still around. People who sign up now have no idea what it once was. It's my guess that's what the designers here have in mind. So we all leave. So what? Plenty more will take our places and no one will know about any of this.




    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    That brings me to my second site. Also first of it's kind so for awhile the only.
    And again. When they started they were awesome. Friendly support, helpful forums.
    Then that stupid bug got to them.
    The forums were busted up. Posts were censored. "Help" was not to be found anymore. Support was virtually non existent.

    People complained. IN masses people complained. In what was left of their fractured and policed forums, people lit up with complaints.
    And... just like that other site, this one started banning people from posting.
    Don't fix the problem, just remove the complainers.

    Then.... and they still are doing this, suddenly, without warning or any communication what so ever, peoples shops would suddenly be shut down. Poof gone! Money invested in countless.... we'll call it entries. Just gone.
    Not to mention the time invested in building up your own space. Just gone.

    They did this to me. And I was LIVID!!!!!
    I have a site of my own and though they could ban me from their forums, they can not stop me from posting my disgust elsewhere. And I posted a long winded rant right on the main page of my own site.

    Then I cooled off. By this time other similar sites sprang up. I had moved, and love it there. Took my rant off my site, (not the best thing to have on an art site.) But.... left a tiny bit of text pointing to it.

    And guess what. This all happened years ago and yet every single day, that rant page of mine draws in traffic.
    It's the only reason I didn't just delete it.
    This site is STILL treating it's paying customers like disposable trash.
    And my little rant page is just one of thousands out there.

    How can that possibly be good for business? Make people so mad they start venting on twitter, flickr, facebook, youtube... etc etc etc??? How can this be a good thing for GoodGames?




    This game is based on continuous, repeat, long term players. I would venture a guess, most players who spend money here are either retired, or cooped up indoors for what ever reason, or what ever. The occasional kids that pop on sure aren't going to spend money or invest the kind of time needed to get to advanced levels. People who get so addicted to getting to the next level, upgrading to the next.... biggest, better.... that they stay. Often times will pitch in a little gold to get some doo dad not otherwise available. THIS is how the game can stay profitable.

    NOT by shooing people away who are clearly already addicted.
    NOT by ignoring all the anger here by people who have invested countless hours on this dumb game only to have the rules so horribly changed in mid stream.

    And yes.... unlike my other two examples where people were running small businesses,
    THIS IS JUST A GAME!

    So we are disposable? Replaceable? So is this game folks. Keep taking away things people WANT.
    And what reason will there be to stay? I have lots of games. There are lots of games on line with new ones springing up all the time. This is a good one.
    Now will it stay that way?

    Or did the big greedy stupid bug bite the designers here?
  • fro3fro3 Posts: 42
    edited 19.03.2014
    Latten,

    Yeah, it is vague, thx for admitting it. LOL

    But if I read between the lines, are you trying to tell us that the changes in the GF will bring so much more money that it will balance out the loss we incurred with the "new happiness" formula? Is that what you are implying? Because trust me mate, it better be REALLY good to make all those angry players to let go of this "update" yesterday.

    Just saying...

    Have a good one and thx for your swift reply.

    Instant Ocean

    The way I read it is that if you still insist on maintaining a mass production farm, you will lose a lot of money because of the rework. So, it was more of a threat aimed at the people who aren't complying with how they want you to play their game or a warning to those who are converting to mass production farms out of spite.

    While I am purely speaking for myself, I assume many other players like me are not remotely excited about the revamp. I could have been, but after this latest injustice I expect only to be more disheartened and disappointed. Being vague about what the gourmet farm will be like certainly isn't filling me with excited anticipation. It just adds to my irritation. Ducks and donkeys could never make up for this nonsense.
  • KimmieCat (INT1)KimmieCat (INT1) Posts: 52
    edited 19.03.2014
    Remember this one (on page one) :
    Latten wrote: »
    We're not taking it away :) Regular players will hardly notice any differences, at least that's how it's planned. This is mainly concerning some players who run their farms with +300% production costs (0 happiness), without having to fear any consequences for doing so - this is not at all what the game is supposed to be :)

    And now we are to believe this one :
    Latten wrote: »
    It will not change the happiness levels as they are, but it will affect the way you play the second farm immensely, and the way how it interacts with the main farm. I don't want to say too much yet, but especially if you're going for production first and foremost, you might be very surprised how the change might affect your income on both farms.

    There you go. (1) The happiness upgrade stays as is. (2) With "that might affect your income" part, gosh I hope it's not another 15%-20% surprise drop in income. Sorry Latten, can't help it. :P Can't blame us if we take what you say with a grain of salt from now on. Hehe. Peace. :)

    A grain of salt is not covering it ....
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 19.03.2014
    bigpapa12 wrote: »
    Not so sure that is the case but what I believe he is getting at is don't go do radical changes to your farm only to have to do it again when the gf is updated.

    That's pretty much what I'm getting at, yes :)

    I'm being honest here guys, I too have yet to know how exactly everything will pan out, but from what I know, that's the advice I'd give for now :) Let's wait how everything looks like after the 2nd farm rework, and go from there.
  • bigpapa12bigpapa12 Posts: 87
    edited 19.03.2014
    Yeah, that part they made pretty clear, but I really don't get the relation between the Happiness formula and the GF revamp.

    Don't really know where they are going with this and how will it change anything to what they have done. From the lil' I know, the 2 are not related.

    IO

    Maybe not a direct correlation on the happiness but the amounts of goods transferred between all the farms will change thus maybe making players want more or less of certain production, which then kinda ties into happiness if you need or want less of something that can be produced on 1 farm that can be gained on the other. for example if the future humus from GF can be used on main farm maybe don't want as many apples and can now have more cows. just a quick example of a possiblility
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