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Secondly, I am looking forward to a new choice in projects. They aren't completely removing the project, just changing it.
Lots of people have been doing that before, especially at a beginner's level, where the challenges were easier, or on missions that didn't require an entrance fee.
I am looking forward to the future missions' updates that, I hope, will bring more fair play into the game.
and so what you wanna say with this?
that there are much people who not look good or not understand the game....
if we cancel evryting out of the game what people not understand we can better stop the game
sigh.
**I do also respect opinions enough NOT to post in the thread drumming up support for the chicken or the egg challenge, as I have made my points fairly clear in this thread and numerous other threads related about missions and RP. Hopefully, there can be a solution that can be liked by more people.
do they think also that with wild flowers fertilizer they get the fertilizer?
it are just whining people who cant finish someting and wanna blame everyone accept themself for not pay attention.
for me still not a reason the punish the people and coops who liked it.
if you dont like the project then dont do and not punish other
GGS made a decision by changing some things and that is there right. They listened to the majority of the people that wanted some change and they change it, but we don't even know where they change it too. Can't we just wait a little till after the update, maybe we all like it or we all hate it, we don't know that yet.
I think most of the staff has left for the day though LOL.
We got through most of the missions through negotiated settlement with other Co-Op's, this is the only time we have any interaction with other Co-Op's & found some very nice people out there.
At the end of the day I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not.
Happy Farming
George
Edit: Oh just in case anyone is counting, our co-op really enjoyed the chicken or egg project
The trouble with forums is folk come to say when they have a problem, such as not completing the project because they had misunderstood they were supposed to collect RP, or because they find them unfair. Folk don't post in forums nearly so much to say something is wonderful and they really enjoy it. I'm sure that is why you cannot find a similar number of links like Monica provided saying The Chicken and Egg project is really loved
Feelings for the Chicken and Egg Project are mainly one extreme or the other. Love it or hate it, but only a few who don't much feeling either way
The main problem appeared to generate from the newer coops as they did not know they had to gain reputation points. This I suggest was an glaring error which BG chose not to remedy. It was the main project that generated complaints on forums. Not so much because people were unable to achieve the rep points, it was because they did not know they had to. That clearly evidences that it was not so much a player issue, it is more the case that instruction/direction as to what a player had to do was not clear. Had BG remedied this I believe players would have enjoyed the projects. I have posted on this fact on more than one occasion
Our coop particularly enjoyed the chicken and egg mission, not only because it generated much fun and support for each other, it also had the added bonus of our coop having the opportunity to chat to other coop members in a way that other projects do not.
It would have been more appropriate perhaps to have allowed players to vote on the removal of this project, particularly the coop members who spend real money to ensure the survival and development of the game. It is not to late for BG to do this. So should we have a vote for a Vote?
From a business sense Latten, I believe BG will likely suffer a significant financial loss as many of our coop members would use gold during the chicken and egg mission as would our competitors.
well said Barian
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Post edited by Kat Nip: Merged posts, please use the edit button
I think GGS needs to be careful not to be persuaded by newbies who may not have "grasped" the game fully or players who partially play the game only. Its a sad day seeing this go - maybe rewording the Help may have fixed this issue a little better.
Now as far as PROJECTS go I'm deeply disappointed that the projects are going to be mathematically worked out... gee why make something so difficult - all we needed was something similar to the Telescope Charity Event where you can see what a player has completed in the existing project while in its duration. Most Founders/Leaders understand a level 16 isnt going to have completed as much as a Level 90 player, but it shows if they are contributing. I myself ask my lower level players not to contribute as much to the projects and concentrate on levelling up - now well - why bother - this guage will not assist me at all to tackle my players who may skirt under the radar because its been mathematically worked out we all come out at the same place ... sometimes just use the KISS method please. It would have been nice to see if Joe Blogs produced 10 ferts and Penny Principle produced 30 ferts.
Anyway if all these changes are to work towards mission changes I hope they arent as complicated as this...
Cheers
Pix
Wow, only those who buy gold should have their vote counted???? Talk about a democracy.
GGS is listening to what people have been voting for by commenting on the forums. And their was even a poll about missions.
Missions aren't going away, so you can still do them. In fact they plan on trying to make them better for everyone. If you give up missions just because it isn't a part of a project, do you really care about missions??
They would have a "testing" or beta area of the game and like many games allow a group to go in and test the theories before making the changes might be just the thing they need to do.
And before I get yelled at- why do I say the Top 10 because there are a diverse number of players and styles within the Top 10 and opnions as well, plus these players are very active over a long period.
Anyway just a thought
It seems that those who tried once or twice gave up on it instead of trying and trying to get better at doing them. I don't understand how some players found it hard to understand how to do them, in my opinion and i am sure that by no means the only one, they are simple to work out. If only those tried harder at it and not gave up on them they would have realized that they are quite easy to do.
Some of my team members didn't like them but as a team those of us who had done a lot of them and got experience in doing them encouraged those to try try try even if they lost we told them they did well and they tried harder and learned how to do them and now all my team enjoy them ( im so proud of them).
I am not sure if those of you who found them hard and gave up had help and encouragement from your team but thats what a team is all about, helping each other.
I wish to ask Gg to reconsider, and don't remove it. There are 9 other tasks available to do if players don't like it. Don't remove it because some find it hard to do or find it hard to understand, help them understand. I am more than happy to help and show any coop leader how to do them and teach them to be a team so they can show there coop team how easy they are to do if only they tried harder. And if they don't then that's their chose but don't spoil it for those who want it to stay - be happy for them
Hi Elizabeth
I suggest you take the time to read what was actually in my post rather than misquote it. It does not say say 'only gold players should have their vote counted' My post said "It would have been more appropriate perhaps to have allowed players to vote on the removal of this project, particularly the coop members who spend real money to ensure the survival and development of the game"
A further suggestion I have is that you give consideration to removing the section of your posting that refers to your coop as being 'even a little schizophrenic' as this is not a condition to jest about. Unless of course you are, which may be why you experienced confusion with my original posting.
Happy farming
Yes, many co-ops have been very confused about the Rep Points component to the task. Was there a way to improve the language? YES! For instance, the task note could have read:
xxx,xxx Eggs
x,xxx Reputation Points Earned
I feel for all those that are frustrated with GGS right now. Being in one of the co-ops that avoided the task like the plague (thank you for stating that Elizabeth!), this change is a relief. I am looking forward to seeing what the new set up and name are.
As for the Barn: Any info on how big it will be??? Removing decor is really hard to do, but the extra storage will be worth it.
I am really looking forward to seeing how well everyone is participating in our tasks. Too bad there will not be rewards, particularly Items.
Thank you GGS for listening to all of our complaints and doing the best you can to help us enjoy the game even more. The greatest lesson learned from these updates is to wait and see how it all plays out. There may be a plan in the future to bring back what will be lost with this change.
No - I really don't. I only ever did missions when our co-op did Chicken and Egg, it gave them a purpose, it was exciting and fun.
The complaints I have seen all relate to the missions being unfair, not to the co-op task. Removing the option to do Chicken and Egg co-op task does nothing to resolve the problems that people have complained about with missions.
I just don't get why people are pleased that something they did not have to do and could easily avoid doing has been removed from people that did enjoy doing it?
One of the side effects of removing the mission component will be higher level player will stop doing missions, there're the one's that will spend a big heap of gold to get max R/P to help complete the project, if the gold supply slows down so will all the little things that they pay for, there no such thing as a free lunch, someone has to pay, if you don't like the project, simple don't do it, but please don't take away the option to those that do.
This is not one our co-op's favourite projects. We avoid it like the plague.
Happy Farming
George
from german forum Quote from latten (google translate)
The construction of the spacious camp will cost 500 gold (according to current plans) and provides 250 units of storage space - then you can extend it further for gold - the exact prices yet to be determined.
No, but a lot of the complaints were from people who only did missions to support their co-ops for that particular project. I even made a suggestion to allow members to use gold to fulfill some portion of the RP requirement. I feel pretty sure, too, that I have seen quite a few requests to remove the RP requirements from projects.
A lot of people really hate doing missions - but will do them to help their co-ops with this project. As much as I otherwise enjoy my current co-op, I honestly considered leaving co-ops altogether the last time we did this project. This game is my escape from competition, and doing missions is antithesis to the reason I play it.
It's easy to say, "If you don't like the project, don't do it", but I would guess that most people who have ever belonged to a co-op find themselves in it at some point. Good team players will dig in and do it for the team, even when they despise the activity.
All that said, I believe this may be the first in a multi-step plan that GGS is working toward. They have been working on a better solution for missions in general, and there have been quite a few requests to expand the projects available. I remain hopeful that we will see an overhaul of the missions and also some new co-op projects - or other new activities - that will please everyone.
** still have lots of questions about the existing barns that we already have though--Not looking forward to demolish a level 4 barn OR selling off the excess inventory;(
Car Ser lil
Hi Elizabeth
Hopefully I can assistt your thinking and clarify a few facts as opposed to your inaccurate assumptions. As a high ranking coop, we often play missions against Large Estate coop and other top ranking coops. When some of the players use gold to compete it is not 'a breeze' or a matter of buying your way through. It is fun and very sporting. I can state as a fact that some of the players in Emma's and my coop do not always use gold. Like us they have non gold players/users. Regardless of the use of gold the chicken and egg mission creates a very sporting and friendly exchange between many coops.
As I have previously posted, the main complaints about Chicken and Egg mission is new players not understanding they have to get rep points as part of the mission. The other complaint is that players can be mismatched. GG state they are working on the latter, the former they have continued to avoid addressing, had they done so, new players would be less likely to be confused.
To quote you Elizabeth, 'And yes if you have an opinion on something you either like or dislike, if you want GGS to know about it you do need to let them know' What do you think that other players who are not happy are currently doing, knitting socks for frogs or letting GS know?
Two further points which may assist you Elizabeth, are as follows: Gold players are constantly berated for using gold and are often accused of cheating, Use of gold is allowed. It is irrelevant if the hostility stems from jealously or wherever. The important facts are Gold players enable this game to be played by non gold players and pay for development to the current standard.
Finally you may wish to consider removing the recruitment part of your coops tag which says 'We are a little crazy in our co-op, even a little schizophrenic' It is not an illness to jest about unless you are someone who has the right to do by being diagnosed with schizophrenia. Maybe it is the case with you in which case you do have that entitlement.
Happy farming
Why not put in a better description mentioning the reputation points from missions required instead of the waffle that's there or put a link to the in game help where it could be described in full for the newbies who don't understand it.
“Rooster or hen? A research centre is carrying out a long term investigation into chicken genetics. To explore their genetic make-up they need eggs. A lot of people say though, that the researchers are just fans of freshly fried eggs and omelets.”
Not exactly an understandable description of what is required.
The last sentence could say: "They also require some help to complete their missions and earn more reputation"
Thanks for the info toetsoep3, much appreciated x
Now it is much easier.
Yay! Now we get to see how well everyone does on projects!
For some reason, people kept reading the rep points as being a reward and not a requirement. From memory, no one else had any problems with the requirements for any of the other projects.
As for missions, they'll be reworked. Latten was mentioning for the sake of having accurate information in the debate that missions will be reworked too, not passing comment on the project having a substantial impact on missions. At this point, we don't know what GGS has planned other than what's been stated so we're all just going to have to wait and see what eventuates and how it all comes together.
It's not guaranteed that the Chicken or the egg project will stay just eggs. We have Egg scramble already which is just eggs so expect the Chicken or the egg to be completely revamped.
Kat.