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Update Nov 26th - Project: Projects - Discussion

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  • ElizabethKElizabethK Posts: 519
    edited 21.11.2013
    I understand frustration at a choice being removed. However, I am looking forward to not having to worry about missions unless I want to. Those who want to can still do missions and can still cheer on co-op mates. Removing the project does not remove your choice to do missions. If you are only doing them for the project, how much do you really enjoy them?? And there are still people out there that do missions for rep points and to get on the leader board.

    Secondly, I am looking forward to a new choice in projects. They aren't completely removing the project, just changing it.
  • ice cold3ice cold3 Posts: 42
    edited 21.11.2013
    LeeLex wrote: »
    I just realized a nasty side effect of this. Removing RP from co-op missions means that people wont do missions for RP any more. They'll just idle through missions for the XP and some quick cash.

    Lots of people have been doing that before, especially at a beginner's level, where the challenges were easier, or on missions that didn't require an entrance fee.

    I am looking forward to the future missions' updates that, I hope, will bring more fair play into the game.
  • paultje19752paultje19752 Posts: 217
    edited 21.11.2013
    I can post a few links since there seems to be quite a bit on confusion over how many times this has been discussed in SSSSOO many ways. Check back in a few minutes. For real.

    about the confusion of the actual project: http://en.board.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/showthread.php?88174-Co-op-projects-problem-completing&highlight=chicken
    http://en.board.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/showthread.php?86959-coop-projects-need-missions-now&highlight=chicken
    http://en.board.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/showthread.php?86591-The-Chicken-or-the-egg-co-op-project&highlight=chicken
    http://en.board.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/showthread.php?83360-the-chicken-or-the-egg-coop-project&highlight=chicken

    Here is a thread about changing missions overall and the chicken/egg challenge is mentioned several times throughout: http://en.board.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/showthread.php?49381-The-quot-Official-quot-Mission-Petition...&highlight=chicken

    Here is a thread about how frustrating the missions are in general: http://en.board.goodgamestudios.com/bigfarm/showthread.php?80648-sell-apple-mission-player-10.000-apples-in-5-minutes&highlight=chicken

    I am no where near close to going through ALL the topics to find where this has been discussed at length.

    and so what you wanna say with this?
    that there are much people who not look good or not understand the game....

    if we cancel evryting out of the game what people not understand we can better stop the game
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 21.11.2013
    Well at least make them better so there is no question as to what the expectation is of the challenge. It does not help any that that is the first challenge to have a second part to it and most people think that the blue ribbon means they get extra reward.
    sigh.

    **I do also respect opinions enough NOT to post in the thread drumming up support for the chicken or the egg challenge, as I have made my points fairly clear in this thread and numerous other threads related about missions and RP. Hopefully, there can be a solution that can be liked by more people.
  • edited 21.11.2013
    well i really dont understand how people can think that

    do they think also that with wild flowers fertilizer they get the fertilizer?

    it are just whining people who cant finish someting and wanna blame everyone accept themself for not pay attention.


    for me still not a reason the punish the people and coops who liked it.
    if you dont like the project then dont do and not punish other
  • PINJO1986 (NL1)PINJO1986 (NL1) NL1 Posts: 1,852
    edited 21.11.2013
    I think this is going a bit off topic and need to go down a notch.

    GGS made a decision by changing some things and that is there right. They listened to the majority of the people that wanted some change and they change it, but we don't even know where they change it too. Can't we just wait a little till after the update, maybe we all like it or we all hate it, we don't know that yet.
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 21.11.2013
    I would love to hear more about the new barn? I REALLY want to upgrade both red barns at least to when Steve can visit, but not if I will have to get rid of one to make space for the new one--all that inventory OMG.

    I think most of the staff has left for the day though LOL.
  • george3 (AU1)george3 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 411
    edited 21.11.2013
    I'm in 2 minds over this, we avoid this project like a plague, our Co-Op has done "chicken or the egg" 3 times & at the end no one had any finger nails left, the thing that did happen it brought the Co-Op a lot closer, the co-ordination needed meant we had work together as never before, I know this may only be a small thing, but working together is what a Co-Op is all about, we'll need 1250 rep points for our next attempt, so we weren't looking forward to trying it again in a great hurry.
    We got through most of the missions through negotiated settlement with other Co-Op's, this is the only time we have any interaction with other Co-Op's & found some very nice people out there.
    At the end of the day I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not.
    Happy Farming
    George
  • edited 21.11.2013
    Thank you very much for this new system showing coop members contributions, anything to improve coops is extremely welcome :-) As for removal of Chicken or Egg?, I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, this project really got coop members cooperating, but on the other hand missions are rarely fair and this project gets really challenging... So let's just wait and see till the new update is implemented
  • Jim52Jim52 Posts: 45
    edited 21.11.2013
    Do you use gold Monica? Because I'm assuming by the color (used the US spelling just for you ;) ) and that it's called a "premium" building means it's only for gold users.

    Edit: Oh just in case anyone is counting, our co-op really enjoyed the chicken or egg project
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 21.11.2013
    It might be something i could get excited about buying gold for ;) , but I would like to have a few details about how it will work with the other barns before i stick another $3 million on an upgrade that I will have to demolish to make space for the new one. I have 1 built a red barn to level 5 and the other is still level 4.
  • rhon (GB1)rhon (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,542
    edited 21.11.2013
    Half my members liked the Chicken and Egg Project, the other half were terrified of it. We always completed in plenty of time, and always without the use of gold. I specifically asked them not to use gold for Missions, but if they had any to spare to donate it to the co-op's funds to start relevant researches

    The trouble with forums is folk come to say when they have a problem, such as not completing the project because they had misunderstood they were supposed to collect RP, or because they find them unfair. Folk don't post in forums nearly so much to say something is wonderful and they really enjoy it. I'm sure that is why you cannot find a similar number of links like Monica provided saying The Chicken and Egg project is really loved

    Feelings for the Chicken and Egg Project are mainly one extreme or the other. Love it or hate it, but only a few who don't much feeling either way
  • Peggyegg (GB1)Peggyegg (GB1) GB1 Posts: 67
    edited 21.11.2013
    Hi Latten

    The main problem appeared to generate from the newer coops as they did not know they had to gain reputation points. This I suggest was an glaring error which BG chose not to remedy. It was the main project that generated complaints on forums. Not so much because people were unable to achieve the rep points, it was because they did not know they had to. That clearly evidences that it was not so much a player issue, it is more the case that instruction/direction as to what a player had to do was not clear. Had BG remedied this I believe players would have enjoyed the projects. I have posted on this fact on more than one occasion

    Our coop particularly enjoyed the chicken and egg mission, not only because it generated much fun and support for each other, it also had the added bonus of our coop having the opportunity to chat to other coop members in a way that other projects do not.

    It would have been more appropriate perhaps to have allowed players to vote on the removal of this project, particularly the coop members who spend real money to ensure the survival and development of the game. It is not to late for BG to do this. So should we have a vote for a Vote?

    From a business sense Latten, I believe BG will likely suffer a significant financial loss as many of our coop members would use gold during the chicken and egg mission as would our competitors.

    well said Barian
    x


    Post edited by Kat Nip: Merged posts, please use the edit button
  • pixie2me2pixie2me2 Posts: 83
    edited 21.11.2013
    Reading everyone's discussions there seems to be a thread running through that many players wanted the removal of the Chicken and the Egg because many didnt understand it - and by virtue complained in the forums. Well, if you really drill down to who complains, its normally new players or new coops and that is understandable. Even though of late our coop has not played this project (for other reasons), it was a darn good project and gave everyone a much needed team rallying boost to look forward to.

    I think GGS needs to be careful not to be persuaded by newbies who may not have "grasped" the game fully or players who partially play the game only. Its a sad day seeing this go - maybe rewording the Help may have fixed this issue a little better.

    Now as far as PROJECTS go I'm deeply disappointed that the projects are going to be mathematically worked out... gee why make something so difficult - all we needed was something similar to the Telescope Charity Event where you can see what a player has completed in the existing project while in its duration. Most Founders/Leaders understand a level 16 isnt going to have completed as much as a Level 90 player, but it shows if they are contributing. I myself ask my lower level players not to contribute as much to the projects and concentrate on levelling up - now well - why bother - this guage will not assist me at all to tackle my players who may skirt under the radar because its been mathematically worked out we all come out at the same place ... sometimes just use the KISS method please. It would have been nice to see if Joe Blogs produced 10 ferts and Penny Principle produced 30 ferts.

    Anyway if all these changes are to work towards mission changes I hope they arent as complicated as this...

    Cheers

    Pix :)
  • ElizabethKElizabethK Posts: 519
    edited 21.11.2013
    Peggyegg wrote: »
    Hi Latten

    It would have been more appropriate perhaps to have allowed players to vote on the removal of this project, particularly the coop members who spend real money to ensure the survival and development of the game. It is not to late for BG to do this. So should we have a vote for a Vote?

    From a business sense Latten, I believe BG will likely suffer a significant financial loss as many of our coop members would use gold during the chicken and egg mission as would our competitors.

    Wow, only those who buy gold should have their vote counted???? Talk about a democracy.

    GGS is listening to what people have been voting for by commenting on the forums. And their was even a poll about missions.

    Missions aren't going away, so you can still do them. In fact they plan on trying to make them better for everyone. If you give up missions just because it isn't a part of a project, do you really care about missions??
  • pixie2me2pixie2me2 Posts: 83
    edited 21.11.2013
    Actually I think it would be prudent for GGS to maybe run test case scenarios past the Top 10 coops in each server before finalising and get their feedback similar to a FOCUS GROUP.

    They would have a "testing" or beta area of the game and like many games allow a group to go in and test the theories before making the changes might be just the thing they need to do.

    And before I get yelled at- why do I say the Top 10 because there are a diverse number of players and styles within the Top 10 and opnions as well, plus these players are very active over a long period.

    Anyway just a thought :)
  • pumpingboy (GB1)pumpingboy (GB1) Posts: 51
    edited 21.11.2013
    I totally agree GG should re-consider removing "the chicken or the egg" as Emma66 said it is the only one that actually brought players together> in the old farm game that GG had to sadly close down there was a market place where players could chat, here we don't have that and this task did bring players from other coops together , yes some did not get on but many enjoyed playing other coop players and chatting with them.

    It seems that those who tried once or twice gave up on it instead of trying and trying to get better at doing them. I don't understand how some players found it hard to understand how to do them, in my opinion and i am sure that by no means the only one, they are simple to work out. If only those tried harder at it and not gave up on them they would have realized that they are quite easy to do.

    Some of my team members didn't like them but as a team those of us who had done a lot of them and got experience in doing them encouraged those to try try try even if they lost we told them they did well and they tried harder and learned how to do them and now all my team enjoy them ( im so proud of them).
    I am not sure if those of you who found them hard and gave up had help and encouragement from your team but thats what a team is all about, helping each other.

    I wish to ask Gg to reconsider, and don't remove it. There are 9 other tasks available to do if players don't like it. Don't remove it because some find it hard to do or find it hard to understand, help them understand. I am more than happy to help and show any coop leader how to do them and teach them to be a team so they can show there coop team how easy they are to do if only they tried harder. And if they don't then that's their chose but don't spoil it for those who want it to stay - be happy for them
  • Peggyegg (GB1)Peggyegg (GB1) GB1 Posts: 67
    edited 21.11.2013
    ElizabethK wrote: »
    Wow, only those who buy gold should have their vote counted???? Talk about a democracy.

    GGS is listening to what people have been voting for by commenting on the forums. And their was even a poll about missions.

    Missions aren't going away, so you can still do them. In fact they plan on trying to make them better for everyone. If you give up missions just because it isn't a part of a project, do you really care about missions??

    Hi Elizabeth

    I suggest you take the time to read what was actually in my post rather than misquote it. It does not say say 'only gold players should have their vote counted' My post said "It would have been more appropriate perhaps to have allowed players to vote on the removal of this project, particularly the coop members who spend real money to ensure the survival and development of the game"

    A further suggestion I have is that you give consideration to removing the section of your posting that refers to your coop as being 'even a little schizophrenic' as this is not a condition to jest about. Unless of course you are, which may be why you experienced confusion with my original posting.
    Happy farming
  • BabyRooBoo2BabyRooBoo2 Posts: 83
    edited 21.11.2013
    Personally, I do not think that the change to the co-op task has the finality others seem to believe. While "The Chicken or the Egg" task is changed for now, we may get more tasks in the future that do provide an option with Rep Points.

    Yes, many co-ops have been very confused about the Rep Points component to the task. Was there a way to improve the language? YES! For instance, the task note could have read:

    xxx,xxx Eggs
    x,xxx Reputation Points Earned

    I feel for all those that are frustrated with GGS right now. Being in one of the co-ops that avoided the task like the plague (thank you for stating that Elizabeth!), this change is a relief. I am looking forward to seeing what the new set up and name are.

    As for the Barn: Any info on how big it will be??? Removing decor is really hard to do, but the extra storage will be worth it.

    I am really looking forward to seeing how well everyone is participating in our tasks. Too bad there will not be rewards, particularly Items.

    Thank you GGS for listening to all of our complaints and doing the best you can to help us enjoy the game even more. The greatest lesson learned from these updates is to wait and see how it all plays out. There may be a plan in the future to bring back what will be lost with this change.
  • Emma66 (GB1)Emma66 (GB1) GB1 Posts: 134
    edited 21.11.2013
    - If you give up missions just because it isn't a part of a project, do you really care about missions?? -

    No - I really don't. I only ever did missions when our co-op did Chicken and Egg, it gave them a purpose, it was exciting and fun.

    The complaints I have seen all relate to the missions being unfair, not to the co-op task. Removing the option to do Chicken and Egg co-op task does nothing to resolve the problems that people have complained about with missions.

    I just don't get why people are pleased that something they did not have to do and could easily avoid doing has been removed from people that did enjoy doing it?
  • george3 (AU1)george3 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 411
    edited 21.11.2013
    PLEASE DON'T CUT OFF YOUR NOSE DESPITE YOUR FACE
    One of the side effects of removing the mission component will be higher level player will stop doing missions, there're the one's that will spend a big heap of gold to get max R/P to help complete the project, if the gold supply slows down so will all the little things that they pay for, there no such thing as a free lunch, someone has to pay, if you don't like the project, simple don't do it, but please don't take away the option to those that do.
    This is not one our co-op's favourite projects. We avoid it like the plague.
    Happy Farming
    George
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited 22.11.2013
    I would love to hear more about the new barn? I REALLY want to upgrade both red barns at least to when Steve can visit, but not if I will have to get rid of one to make space for the new one--all that inventory OMG.

    from german forum Quote from latten (google translate)

    The construction of the spacious camp will cost 500 gold (according to current plans) and provides 250 units of storage space - then you can extend it further for gold - the exact prices yet to be determined.
  • EricaJ (US1)EricaJ (US1) Posts: 202
    edited 22.11.2013
    Emma663 wrote: »
    - If you give up missions just because it isn't a part of a project, do you really care about missions?? -

    No - I really don't. I only ever did missions when our co-op did Chicken and Egg, it gave them a purpose, it was exciting and fun.

    The complaints I have seen all relate to the missions being unfair, not to the co-op task. Removing the option to do Chicken and Egg co-op task does nothing to resolve the problems that people have complained about with missions.

    No, but a lot of the complaints were from people who only did missions to support their co-ops for that particular project. I even made a suggestion to allow members to use gold to fulfill some portion of the RP requirement. I feel pretty sure, too, that I have seen quite a few requests to remove the RP requirements from projects.

    A lot of people really hate doing missions - but will do them to help their co-ops with this project. As much as I otherwise enjoy my current co-op, I honestly considered leaving co-ops altogether the last time we did this project. This game is my escape from competition, and doing missions is antithesis to the reason I play it.
    I just don't get why people are pleased that something they did not have to do and could easily avoid doing has been removed from people that did enjoy doing it?

    It's easy to say, "If you don't like the project, don't do it", but I would guess that most people who have ever belonged to a co-op find themselves in it at some point. Good team players will dig in and do it for the team, even when they despise the activity.

    All that said, I believe this may be the first in a multi-step plan that GGS is working toward. They have been working on a better solution for missions in general, and there have been quite a few requests to expand the projects available. I remain hopeful that we will see an overhaul of the missions and also some new co-op projects - or other new activities - that will please everyone.
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 22.11.2013
    Ahh thanks Toetsoep:)

    ** still have lots of questions about the existing barns that we already have though--Not looking forward to demolish a level 4 barn OR selling off the excess inventory;(
  • Peggyegg (GB1)Peggyegg (GB1) GB1 Posts: 67
    edited 22.11.2013
    ElizabethK wrote: »
    @ emma663 I checked out your farm and your co-op. I understand why you love the chicken or the egg project. Most of the top players in your co-op have a sea of blue. Therefore, the missions are a breeze, just buy your way through them. But for a majority of the people, if not all, who have commented in the forums on missions and this project they strongly dislike both.

    GGS is trying to make this game as appealing to as many people as they can, and that means sometimes there will be things added or changed that someone won't like.

    And yes if you have an opinion on something you either like or dislike, if you want GGS to know about it you do need to let them know. They aren't mind readers.

    Car Ser lil

    Hi Elizabeth
    Hopefully I can assistt your thinking and clarify a few facts as opposed to your inaccurate assumptions. As a high ranking coop, we often play missions against Large Estate coop and other top ranking coops. When some of the players use gold to compete it is not 'a breeze' or a matter of buying your way through. It is fun and very sporting. I can state as a fact that some of the players in Emma's and my coop do not always use gold. Like us they have non gold players/users. Regardless of the use of gold the chicken and egg mission creates a very sporting and friendly exchange between many coops.

    As I have previously posted, the main complaints about Chicken and Egg mission is new players not understanding they have to get rep points as part of the mission. The other complaint is that players can be mismatched. GG state they are working on the latter, the former they have continued to avoid addressing, had they done so, new players would be less likely to be confused.

    To quote you Elizabeth, 'And yes if you have an opinion on something you either like or dislike, if you want GGS to know about it you do need to let them know' What do you think that other players who are not happy are currently doing, knitting socks for frogs or letting GS know?

    Two further points which may assist you Elizabeth, are as follows: Gold players are constantly berated for using gold and are often accused of cheating, Use of gold is allowed. It is irrelevant if the hostility stems from jealously or wherever. The important facts are Gold players enable this game to be played by non gold players and pay for development to the current standard.

    Finally you may wish to consider removing the recruitment part of your coops tag which says 'We are a little crazy in our co-op, even a little schizophrenic' It is not an illness to jest about unless you are someone who has the right to do by being diagnosed with schizophrenia. Maybe it is the case with you in which case you do have that entitlement.
    Happy farming
  • jaclark (GB1)jaclark (GB1) Posts: 37
    edited 22.11.2013
    My co-op enjoyed this project and it would be a shame for it to be removed.
    Why not put in a better description mentioning the reputation points from missions required instead of the waffle that's there or put a link to the in game help where it could be described in full for the newbies who don't understand it.

    “Rooster or hen? A research centre is carrying out a long term investigation into chicken genetics. To explore their genetic make-up they need eggs. A lot of people say though, that the researchers are just fans of freshly fried eggs and omelets.”

    Not exactly an understandable description of what is required.

    The last sentence could say: "They also require some help to complete their missions and earn more reputation"
  • Peggyegg (GB1)Peggyegg (GB1) GB1 Posts: 67
    edited 22.11.2013
    toetsoep3 wrote: »
    from german forum Quote from latten (google translate)

    The construction of the spacious camp will cost 500 gold (according to current plans) and provides 250 units of storage space - then you can extend it further for gold - the exact prices yet to be determined.

    Thanks for the info toetsoep3, much appreciated x
  • mipie11mipie11 Posts: 130
    edited 22.11.2013
    YESH!!!!! NO MORE REP POINT FOR C.O.T.E.!!! (Chicken or the Egg)
    Now it is much easier. :)
    Yay! Now we get to see how well everyone does on projects! :D
  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 22.11.2013
    Hey everyone, I realise emotions are running a bit high around the removal of the Chicken or the egg project and as such, it's easy to say something that oversteps the boundaries a bit. Thank you for mostly keeping this to a debate level and not personalising it. Let's keep it there though and not be tempted to go down the path of attacking others, not debating the argument. :)
    I really don't understand... So, you are taking the project out because people didn't realize that they had to earn reputation points for the project? Well, it's a multi requirements project and it's presented in a way no different from other multi requirements projects. If people don't know how to read the project requirements for the chicken or the egg project, they certainly have trouble reading the others too. So, what's next? Are you going to take out the cabbage head project? Or patty cake?

    This update is not changing missions, they still will be available in the game exactly the same as before. As I see it, removing the requirement for reputation points in a co-op project doesn't change anything in the way missions work.
    For some reason, people kept reading the rep points as being a reward and not a requirement. From memory, no one else had any problems with the requirements for any of the other projects.

    As for missions, they'll be reworked. Latten was mentioning for the sake of having accurate information in the debate that missions will be reworked too, not passing comment on the project having a substantial impact on missions. At this point, we don't know what GGS has planned other than what's been stated so we're all just going to have to wait and see what eventuates and how it all comes together.
    mipie11 wrote: »
    YESH!!!!! NO MORE REP POINT FOR C.O.T.E.!!! (Chicken or the Egg)
    Now it is much easier. :)
    Yay! Now we get to see how well everyone does on projects! :D
    It's not guaranteed that the Chicken or the egg project will stay just eggs. We have Egg scramble already which is just eggs so expect the Chicken or the egg to be completely revamped. :)

    Kat. Kittie_by_otomosc.gif
  • Slodge (AU1)Slodge (AU1) Posts: 46
    edited 22.11.2013
    So does that mean that the SP's for the project also going to drop...
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