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Forum Long Term Event - 1st round, Question 5
Latten (DE1)
Posts: 6,246
(The solution for yesterday's question: 510! And, again, the EN Forums showed the rest of the world how it's done, I think you're the only one with a large majority on the correct answer, guys ^^)
Cabbage special seeds: 300
Humus premium: +60%
Benny Buddler: +10%
Water tower: it is just in the question to create confusion, since its function cannot be applied to this case
The correct way to find out:
300 + (60% + 10%) = 510 cabbage
If you calculate either one of the percentages into the 330% WITH Benny, you will get the wrong answer - as always in the game (and in math), both percentages are applied at the same time.
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So, using your logic....Product A costs $100 +10% taxes and a discount of -10%, 100+(+10%-10%=0)= $100...? Not $99 ? Stock A ($100) goes up 10%, then another 10%= 100+(+10%+10%=20%)= $120 ? Or 121 ? In other words, +10% to the harvest, which is 480, is 528...or your logic 510....
Confused....
You calculate the 10% over the 300 yield and the 60% over the 300 yield. That will be 30 and 180. You add the 30 and 180 to the 300 and get 510. Logic?
What you did was first calculate the 60% over 300 (makes 480) and then the 10% over the 480 (makes 528 ). Incorrect. Both percentages are calculated over the original yield and not over a yield + special percentage.
No, I don't buy the logic either, but I figured it was not worth commenting on because that's the way it works in the game.
Even though Benny's tool tip says you get +10% of the harvest - surely if you have 300 special cabbage and then premium humus it you have a total harvest of 480 which Benny should give you an extra 10% of. He's probably syphoning off the extra and selling it on the black market - or filling bubbles with it
Hodor, check my comment
Oh okie ^^ I thought you did not understand how they got to it. My bad
Yes. I wonder were the rest of humusharvest go when you get Benny to help you. :-)
His statement about Mathematics is, however, incorrect.
The Mathematically correct answer is 528.
The difference comes about because of the difference between language and mathematical statements
If I say "Two add three multiply by four" the answer is 20
If I write "2+3x4" the answer is 14
Because language works left to right, while in Maths you do multiplication before addition (unless there is a bracket of course)
Edit. Just like Barian said.
So do I. I think GGS are cheating us with their false logic! Why would the 10% be calculated from the base yield if Benny gives us 10% more harvest. Surely that should be 10% of the total yield? Not quite fair in my opinion...
This is not really a trick question. They're asking what do you need to do in order to complete the Chicken or the Egg Project.
In math, both options are correct. It just depends on the situation how something should be calculated. In games, it is common (and completely logical) to apply any boost to the base value of something. Game-logic wise there was even a third option: applying only the largest boost. It's all valid, it's all logical, the question is just, how does BF do it? And that's not really something you can find out within the game unless you try (costing gold), because they never mention base yield or anything of the sort. They could be clearer about that in-game, to avoid confusion - not just for this question, but for the game itself as well.
This! I think there are a few things the game should really be clearer about from the start, and this is one of them.
Benny's already in place (hired), so his addition calculates when you plant the field, before you have put humus (but you don't actually receive that extra yield until it harvests, if I understand it correctly, kind of like the extra bags of seed from the Nursery).
Humus is also calculated on the planted field yield, and since the humus doesn't 'know' anything about the extra yield that Benny will be giving you, it is not included in the calculation.
It's not exactly 'math logic' - it is the order and manner in which the game calculates it. The coding for all of it must be nightmarish, we should be grateful these modifiers work as well as they do, not consider ourselves 'cheated' when we don't get more and more and MORE!
where can v find the 6th question
So no prize for me i guess ?
I tried it yesterday (28.9) around 17.00 dutch time
Grs Wappie
You still have a chance at a prize, though. According to the original announcement, "Players don’t have to participate in all the rounds. But of course the more they participate, the better the chances to earn more points and consequently better rewards."
can anyone help me to find the 6th question.
did they publish the 6th question?
have they published any question after the 5th question.
5th question -- How do you achieve "The Chicken or the Egg"
Hey joander,
Staff doesn't work during weekends, so most probably the 5th question was the last one from the first round. The second round will start tomorrow, may be questions, may be something different!
I'm sorry but you are wrong.
It does NOT depend on the situation in Maths, there are clear rules that have to be followed.
Usually quoted (In the UK) as BIDMAS
Brakets Indices Division Multiplication Addition Subtraction
That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about the calculation of percentages and how there are different situations involving percentages, requiring different calculations. So no, I'm not wrong, math DOES depend on situations (A LOT even). I'm not talking about the order of operations here. (I'm well aware of those, thank you.)
The real art of math is translating a question or situation into the appropriate math terms. If you manage to do that right, the calculations are easy enough. But you do need all the info, which - again - we do not get in the game.
In the case of this question we applied all modifications to the base yield, but when we're calculating something involving bank accounts and interest rates the base value doesn't matter much. Both involving percentages, but different situations.
A percentage can have different meanings, and it's not always made clear what is meant. "60% of people said this, 12% does that." Does this mean 12% of the 60% that said 'this'? Or of the remaining 40% or maybe of the entire population? Math doesn't have rules on how to interpret these percentages. The context should tell you what they mean ("60% of people said this, 12% of these also do that").
When we're talking about chances and statistics, you can do a lot of different things with the same set of numbers, getting completely different outcomes because the question or situation is just a bit different. Are the events independent? Do you want cumulative probabilities? It matters a lot.
It all depends on the situation and the questions asked.
Latten posted it was 300+(60%+10%)=510. It involves brackets. So you first do 60%+10%=70%. Then 300+70%=510. Make sense? Still following the rules... This situation is CORRECT.
IF! it would have been first 60% of the 300 and then 10% of that, it would have been 300+60%+10%=528. Which is NOT correct because there are brackets and it is both derived from 300 and not the one from 300 and the second from the result of that. So therefore this situation is INCORRECT.
Both are mathematically correct, BUT! not both situations are applicable to this game. Only the 1st situation is applicable to the game.
The discussion about whether that is like-able or not is a different one, but mathematically there is no incorrect calculation
hey, has ggs stopped that long term event.
did they publish the 6th question or have the done any other things other than questions.