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Omlets VS. Apple Pie~
vikingur1-2 wrote: »If you do the math, you will see that making applepie is more profitable than making omelets.
Well, if you do the math you can see that it's completely opposite. The net profit rate for apple pies is several times lower than for omelets. I can give you precise numbers if you like (with 0% happiness modifier), but I think we need other thread to continue this discussion.
According to the numbers I gathered apple pies are the worst of all restaurant produce and I'm really curious why anyone would want to make them.
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The part above was my original post in the different thread.
Here is my data.
Please, note: Run time is given in minutes. Running cost are without happiness modifier and any co-op research. And I also don't consider usage of humus. I also don't take into account hidden costs. Like, how much spaghetti and tomato you could sell if you grow tomato instead of sugar beets and produce pasta instead of pastry.
About the cost of the ingredients. Selling apples and eggs makes profit, so I take their selling price as cost. Selling pastry and sugar makes losses, so I take their production cost.
I want to apologize to vikingur1-2
While re-checking I found a mistake I made. I typed 360 min instead of 30 min as running time for making pies. Bellow are corrected calculations.
Dish Run Run Selling price Ingredients
time cost L4 L5 L6 L7 Name Amount Price
Omelet 20 62 2000 2300 2600 2900 Eggs 150 3
Apple pie 30 1000 17000 20000 22000 25000 Apples 20 44
Pastry 70 54
Sugar 15 359
Net profit
Omelet 1488 1788 2088 2388
Apple pie 5960 8960 10960 13960
Net profit rate per minute
Omelet 74.40 89.40 104.40 119.40
Apple pie 198.68 298.68 365.35 465.35
Comments
[rhon: I've actually moved the posts to the thread now]
Please be clear with your calculations so there is less confusion--. I am very interested in which is more profitable.
Thanks
And i also question if it is better to upgrade the eggs to level 2 from the main farm rather than upgrade the omlets.
(I don't see why the thread had to be editted this way, but ok--at least it is on its own thread now.)
Revenue, in and of itself, is meaningless. If the cost / opportunity cost of the ingredients needed to produce $20K in revenue is $21K, then you're taking a loss.
There are also build / buy decisions one can make in this game. For example, is it better to grow sugar beets and produce sugar, or would you be better off growing some other crop instead and buying sugar? Could you increase your profit by selling butter directly instead of using it to make apple pie?
Each individual production facility has a "sweet spot", something it can do to maximize profit when viewed in a vacuum (without any dependencies)... but there are a lot of dependencies in this game. Some of the production facilities require inputs from other facilities, or supply inputs to other facilities - and the total profitability of the farms taken together creates a lot of interdependence of the various facilities... and a very complex economy.
Profitability of any given production plan will shift as production facilities shift via building / upgrading, cost shifts, etc.
Individual play patterns make a difference, too. What is the most profitable production plan on any given day may depend on how often / how long you play that day. A simple illustration is the fact that chicken coops produce the most dung per hour, but only when you are online actively managing them.
We need a levl4 rest to amake apple pie... Here is the making cost for the apple pie and omlet with zero running cost.
Apple pie Ingredients | count | price for each | Ingredient price ------------------------------------------------------------------ Apple | 20 | 44 | 880 Sugar | 15 | 240 |3600 Shortcut pastry | 70 | 45 | 3150 _________________________________________________________ Total making cost 7630 Selling price 17000 profit 122.805% Omlet Ingredients | count | price for each | Ingredient price ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eggs | 150 | 3 | 450 _________________________________________________________ Total making cost 450 Selling price 2000 profit 344.44%here i have just taken the sewlling price of individual product without any researches and zero running cost for the product...
If we calculate based on the production cost, i am sure the omlete will give more percentage...
I will post that calculation tomorrow
I am (trying) to read over the data just provided in post #14. Does it make any difference that we have the organic eggs research done and can sell eggs for $5 instead of $3? and the added benefit of having xp from making the sugar, butter and the crust?
Also upgrading the resturant brings higher profit for the apple pie too.
Ignoring all of that, and focusing SOLELY on the price you would get if you sold the individual ingredients used to produce the pie and omelet, rather than use them to make an omelet or a pie, you actually make far more per minute of production time with an Apple Pie than you do on an omelet!
For anyone who is still awake after reading this post (and who still cares about this topic), I submit the following figures for your consideration, which calculations assume a Level 6 restaurant:
1. Ingredients for the Omelet & cost of goods sold (i.e., how much it cost to make the omelet based only on the selling price of the individually ingredients):
150 eggs (BTW, I personally feel that a 150 egg omelet is excessive and I wonder who is eating a 150 egg omelet? Does the person's doctor know? I really feel that 2 or 3 eggs is sufficient for an omelet.)
150 eggs times $3 per egg = $450 cost of goods sold
Selling Price of omelet: $2,600
Less Cost of Goods Sold $ 450
Net Profit (before Federal, state and local taxes): $2,150 achieved in 20 minutes
(or $107.50 per minute of production)
2. Ingredients for the Apple Pie & cost of goods sold (i.e., how much it cost to make the pie based only on the selling price of the individually ingredients):
20 Apples
70 Shortcrust Pastry
15 Sugars
Selling Price of Apple Pie: $22,000
Less Cost of Goods Sold: $ 7,630
Net Profit (before Federal, state and local taxes): $14,370 achieved in 30 minutes
(or $479 per minute of production)
So, personally, if I had to choose between those 2 foods, I would make apple pies until ran out of ingredients; then I'd make omelets until I had enough ingredients to start making apple pie again.
Have a good weekend everybody!!!
That gets my vote, too.
Despite being quite capable of doing detailed cost and profit analysis, I haven't done much of it in this game. I play it for pleasure and enjoyment, and don't feel particularly driven to seek to optimize every aspect of it.
Please, note: Run time is given in minutes. Running cost are without happiness modifier. I also don't consider usage of humus. I also don't take into account hidden costs. Like, how much spaghetti and tomato you could sell if you grow tomato instead of sugar beets and produce pasta instead of pastry.
About the cost of the ingredients. Selling apples and eggs makes profit, so I take their selling price as cost. Selling pastry and sugar makes losses, so I take their production cost.
While re-checking I found a mistake I made. I typed 360 min instead of 30 min as running time for making pies. Bellow are corrected calculations.
Dish Run Run Selling price Ingredients time cost L4 L5 L6 L7 Name Amount Price Omelet 20 62 2000 2300 2600 2900 Eggs 150 3 Apple pie 30 1000 17000 20000 22000 25000 Apples 20 44 Pastry 70 54 Sugar 15 359 Net profit Omelet 1488 1788 2088 2388 Apple pie 5960 8960 10960 13960 Net profit rate per minute Omelet 74.40 89.40 104.40 119.40 Apple pie 198.68 298.68 365.35 465.35LoveTheThunder2, what are your ingredients costs for apple pies?
I think i am pretty well remain convinced at this point that pie is better. Why else would we be upgrading the resturant for millions of dollars?
monica79538, sorry if I made you any trouble.
** even the posts in favor of the omlets seem like pies are better. I just don't see myself doing eggs all day on a level 6 resturant and certainly not to spend $10,000,000 for level 7. and a research spot for omlets is like $110,000 and startup cost is almost 6 million, so that a few people can have a few extra dollars and quickly get tired of clicking every 20 minutes at the resturant.
OK calculation based on water tower level 5, workshop level 5 and -97% happiness at main farm
Need 5 (Water tower lvl 5) feed to produce 166 eggs (lvl 5 chicken coop)
Need ( 5/166 ) x 150 = 4.518072 feed to produce 150 eggs
Need 10 corn (workshop lvl 5) to produce 5 feed
Need (10/5) x 4.518072 = 9.036144578 corn to produce 4.518072 feed
Cost of 19 corn (seeds) is 50 dollars (lvl 5 field)
Cost of 9.036144578 corn is (50/19) x 9.036144578 = 23.77932784 dollars
Because of the -97% happiness the cost of running the chicken coop is 0
Therefore cost of goods for 150 eggs is only 23.77932784 dollars
Now the restaurant level is 5 for me with -100% happiness and no water tower or workshop
Because of the -100% happiness, like the chicken coop the runnig cost for making the omlet is 0
My omlet selling price is 2,300 dollars
so we are looking at a profit of ( 2,300 - 23.77932784) = 2276.220672 dollars
Net profit margin = { ( 2,300 - 23.77932784)/ 2,300 } x 100 = 98.97%
First of all i want to say, "Good Job doing all that Math!"
Second of all i am going to agree with Monica on this one, I think Apple Pie is Better then Omelets.
I am making Apple pie when i have the ingredients, which is about every couple of hours or so.
I have my bakery and dairy always running, so i can get ingredients and XP.
Well that is what i have to say.
Yours Truly,
Super Space Girl
I am the same way, I will still make Omelets if it is late and i know i am going to bed shortly and i can't make Apple Pie. But like Monica said i am no going to sit in front of the computer making Omelets.
As i said i made the calculations based on selling price only... since i know them by hand.
Thanks to GGS i was not able to login to the system much time to look into other infos to do the calculation...
The logged in time, i used to sow corn and tried a lot to finish the fairy tale event... Still more than 250 fireflies to go...
I though of making a detailed calculation later when this is fixed.. Now i see other post having those calculations as well...
Hey, noticed everyone left out an important factor:
Add potential upgrades into your factor.
Look here's the simple math...more money in less time let's you max your farm and profit regardless of the percentage.
It's not rocket science.