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Omlets VS. Apple Pie~

SpljushkaSpljushka Posts: 67
If you do the math, you will see that making applepie is more profitable than making omelets.

Well, if you do the math you can see that it's completely opposite. The net profit rate for apple pies is several times lower than for omelets. I can give you precise numbers if you like (with 0% happiness modifier), but I think we need other thread to continue this discussion.

According to the numbers I gathered apple pies are the worst of all restaurant produce and I'm really curious why anyone would want to make them.

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The part above was my original post in the different thread.

Here is my data.

Please, note: Run time is given in minutes. Running cost are without happiness modifier and any co-op research. And I also don't consider usage of humus. I also don't take into account hidden costs. Like, how much spaghetti and tomato you could sell if you grow tomato instead of sugar beets and produce pasta instead of pastry.

About the cost of the ingredients. Selling apples and eggs makes profit, so I take their selling price as cost. Selling pastry and sugar makes losses, so I take their production cost.

I want to apologize to vikingur1-2
While re-checking I found a mistake I made. I typed 360 min instead of 30 min as running time for making pies. Bellow are corrected calculations.
Dish      Run   Run         Selling price               Ingredients		
          time  cost   L4      L5      L6     L7      Name   Amount  Price

Omelet    20    62     2000    2300    2600   2900    Eggs     150      3

Apple pie 30    1000   17000   20000   22000  25000   Apples    20     44
                                                      Pastry    70     54
                                                      Sugar     15    359
Net profit
Omelet                 1488    1788    2088    2388
Apple pie              5960    8960    10960   13960

Net profit rate per minute			
Omelet                 74.40   89.40   104.40  119.40
Apple pie              198.68  298.68  365.35  465.35
Post edited by Spljushka on

Comments

  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 08.06.2013
    hmm i don't need a calculator to tell me that $20,000 in 30 minutes is better than $2600 in 20 minutes. The pies also keep my bakery very busy and the gardens are always planted. Then there could be the same discussion about the value of research for the other things to get to the ones we want to research.



    [rhon: I've actually moved the posts to the thread now]
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 08.06.2013
    the title states it all: Which is more profitable?
    Please be clear with your calculations so there is less confusion--. I am very interested in which is more profitable.
    Thanks
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 08.06.2013
    The first two post here have been moved from an unrelated thread
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 08.06.2013
    monica I haven't done the maths either but when you say "$20,000 in 30 minutes is better than $2600 in 20 minutes" have you taken into account the time to make the butter and pastry for the pie?
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 08.06.2013
    I like to see $20,000 roll out my resturant every 30 minutes rather than omlets. Isn't that why we upgrade the resturants and other production facilities?

    And i also question if it is better to upgrade the eggs to level 2 from the main farm rather than upgrade the omlets.

    (I don't see why the thread had to be editted this way, but ok--at least it is on its own thread now.)
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 08.06.2013
    .....(I don't see why the thread had to be edited this way, but ok--at least it is on its own thread now.)
    A bit messy I know. I thought the relevant posts should be together rather than dilute the thread they were originally in. When moved they go into the order of the original times posted
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 08.06.2013
    No worries. I think the topic of the thread is important and anxious to see calculations that are clear and understandable ;) (OH my math is so bad )
  • Irish30 (US1)Irish30 (US1) Posts: 264
    edited 08.06.2013
    Gee...I hope I'm not the only child that plays this game to have fun...all you adults and math , cost vs. profit, my little head is hurting trying to keep up...rofl. Be safe and keep that little child inside alive...bless you all.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 08.06.2013
    Hehe, I think the young 'un has you all there :)
  • EricaJ (US1)EricaJ (US1) Posts: 202
    edited 08.06.2013
    I like to see $20,000 roll out my resturant every 30 minutes rather than omlets. Isn't that why we upgrade the resturants and other production facilities?

    Revenue, in and of itself, is meaningless. If the cost / opportunity cost of the ingredients needed to produce $20K in revenue is $21K, then you're taking a loss.

    There are also build / buy decisions one can make in this game. For example, is it better to grow sugar beets and produce sugar, or would you be better off growing some other crop instead and buying sugar? Could you increase your profit by selling butter directly instead of using it to make apple pie?

    Each individual production facility has a "sweet spot", something it can do to maximize profit when viewed in a vacuum (without any dependencies)... but there are a lot of dependencies in this game. Some of the production facilities require inputs from other facilities, or supply inputs to other facilities - and the total profitability of the farms taken together creates a lot of interdependence of the various facilities... and a very complex economy.

    Profitability of any given production plan will shift as production facilities shift via building / upgrading, cost shifts, etc.

    Individual play patterns make a difference, too. What is the most profitable production plan on any given day may depend on how often / how long you play that day. A simple illustration is the fact that chicken coops produce the most dung per hour, but only when you are online actively managing them.
  • SpljushkaSpljushka Posts: 67
    edited 08.06.2013
    I'm too late...
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 08.06.2013
    well i think i am enjoying the game more and find it more relaxing to make apple pie--I think that is what matters most to me. I just don't see much profits coming from frying eggs all day--even from my www1 farm that has just level 2 resturant--can't wait to upgrade!
  • ss02092ss02092 Posts: 772
    edited 08.06.2013
    I see omlets are giving more profit percentage.

    We need a levl4 rest to amake apple pie... Here is the making cost for the apple pie and omlet with zero running cost.
    Apple pie 
    
    Ingredients        | count   | price for each  | Ingredient price
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    Apple              |   20   | 44              | 880
    Sugar                 |  15      | 240               |3600
    Shortcut pastry     | 70       | 45                 | 3150
    _________________________________________________________
                                    Total making cost    7630
                                    Selling price           17000 
                                    profit                      122.805%
    
    
    Omlet
    
    Ingredients       | count   | price for each  | Ingredient price
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    Eggs               |   150     | 3             | 450
    _________________________________________________________
                                    Total making cost    450
                                    Selling price           2000 
                                    profit                    344.44%
    
    

    here i have just taken the sewlling price of individual product without any researches and zero running cost for the product...

    If we calculate based on the production cost, i am sure the omlete will give more percentage...

    I will post that calculation tomorrow
  • Irish30 (US1)Irish30 (US1) Posts: 264
    edited 08.06.2013
    Monica...I can smell your pies cooling on the window sill...yummie...agree, you should make/do what ever makes you happy...now can I have a piece of pie please??
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 08.06.2013
    Irish--oh absolutely :D i will find one just for you!

    I am (trying) to read over the data just provided in post #14. Does it make any difference that we have the organic eggs research done and can sell eggs for $5 instead of $3? and the added benefit of having xp from making the sugar, butter and the crust?

    Also upgrading the resturant brings higher profit for the apple pie too.
  • LoveTheThunder2LoveTheThunder2 Posts: 20
    edited 08.06.2013
    There are least 2 or 3 different ways to calculate the cost of goods sold (i.e. the cost to make an apple pie and the cost to make the omelet). And the time to make the ingredients for an omelet (which is 150 eggs) is only 1 cycle of a chicken coop (approx. 12 to 15 minutes, depending on your level); whereas the time to make the ingredients for an apple pie (which are 20 apples, 70 shortcrust pastry and 15 sugars) is considerable. You need 75 butter and 10 wheat for the pastry (and takes 30 min. in the bakery; you have to make the sugar (which means harvesting 315 sugar beets (3 hours), and converting the sugar beets to sugar (1 hr. 30 min.); and 20 apples (which means 3 hrs. to harvest; but you first need to make the fertilizer, which requires production of sufficient dung (estimated to be 1 hour to generate) and then converting the dung to fertilizer (approx. 30 min. depending on your level).

    Ignoring all of that, and focusing SOLELY on the price you would get if you sold the individual ingredients used to produce the pie and omelet, rather than use them to make an omelet or a pie, you actually make far more per minute of production time with an Apple Pie than you do on an omelet!

    For anyone who is still awake after reading this post (and who still cares about this topic), I submit the following figures for your consideration, which calculations assume a Level 6 restaurant:

    1. Ingredients for the Omelet & cost of goods sold (i.e., how much it cost to make the omelet based only on the selling price of the individually ingredients):

    150 eggs (BTW, I personally feel that a 150 egg omelet is excessive and I wonder who is eating a 150 egg omelet? Does the person's doctor know? I really feel that 2 or 3 eggs is sufficient for an omelet.)

    150 eggs times $3 per egg = $450 cost of goods sold

    Selling Price of omelet: $2,600
    Less Cost of Goods Sold $ 450

    Net Profit (before Federal, state and local taxes): $2,150 achieved in 20 minutes

    (or $107.50 per minute of production)

    2. Ingredients for the Apple Pie & cost of goods sold (i.e., how much it cost to make the pie based only on the selling price of the individually ingredients):

    20 Apples
    70 Shortcrust Pastry
    15 Sugars

    Selling Price of Apple Pie: $22,000
    Less Cost of Goods Sold: $ 7,630

    Net Profit (before Federal, state and local taxes): $14,370 achieved in 30 minutes

    (or $479 per minute of production)

    So, personally, if I had to choose between those 2 foods, I would make apple pies until ran out of ingredients; then I'd make omelets until I had enough ingredients to start making apple pie again.

    Have a good weekend everybody!!!
  • EricaJ (US1)EricaJ (US1) Posts: 202
    edited 08.06.2013
    well i think i am enjoying the game more and find it more relaxing to make apple pie--I think that is what matters most to me.

    That gets my vote, too.

    Despite being quite capable of doing detailed cost and profit analysis, I haven't done much of it in this game. I play it for pleasure and enjoyment, and don't feel particularly driven to seek to optimize every aspect of it.
  • SpljushkaSpljushka Posts: 67
    edited 08.06.2013
    Here is my data.

    Please, note: Run time is given in minutes. Running cost are without happiness modifier. I also don't consider usage of humus. I also don't take into account hidden costs. Like, how much spaghetti and tomato you could sell if you grow tomato instead of sugar beets and produce pasta instead of pastry.

    About the cost of the ingredients. Selling apples and eggs makes profit, so I take their selling price as cost. Selling pastry and sugar makes losses, so I take their production cost.

    While re-checking I found a mistake I made. I typed 360 min instead of 30 min as running time for making pies. Bellow are corrected calculations.
    Dish      Run   Run         Selling price               Ingredients		
              time  cost   L4      L5      L6     L7      Name   Amount  Price
    
    Omelet    20    62     2000    2300    2600   2900    Eggs     150      3
    
    Apple pie 30    1000   17000   20000   22000  25000   Apples    20     44
                                                          Pastry    70     54
                                                          Sugar     15    359
    Net profit
    Omelet                 1488    1788    2088    2388
    Apple pie              5960    8960    10960   13960
    
    Net profit rate per minute			
    Omelet                 74.40   89.40   104.40  119.40
    Apple pie              198.68  298.68  365.35  465.35
    
  • SirGeorge (US1)SirGeorge (US1) Posts: 354
    edited 08.06.2013
    I only made omelets when I first bought the 2nd farm. I just always figured that the natural progression of the game, the profits would increase as you upgraded and made the items only available at Lvl 5-7 on the Restaurant.
  • SpljushkaSpljushka Posts: 67
    edited 08.06.2013
    ss02092, you use selling prices for pastry and sugar, but what are their production costs?

    LoveTheThunder2, what are your ingredients costs for apple pies?
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 08.06.2013
    please post corrections in the original post as well. Geez

    I think i am pretty well remain convinced at this point that pie is better. Why else would we be upgrading the resturant for millions of dollars?
  • SpljushkaSpljushka Posts: 67
    edited 08.06.2013
    I found a mistake I made, so I corrected my post with data.

    monica79538, sorry if I made you any trouble.
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 08.06.2013
    No worries. I am just hoping all the data is correct and edits are done to the original posts. I am pretty certain from what has been supplied that pies is better. My head hurts from trying to figure this all out--the numbers just spin on the page.

    ** even the posts in favor of the omlets seem like pies are better. I just don't see myself doing eggs all day on a level 6 resturant and certainly not to spend $10,000,000 for level 7. and a research spot for omlets is like $110,000 and startup cost is almost 6 million, so that a few people can have a few extra dollars and quickly get tired of clicking every 20 minutes at the resturant.
  • husthust Posts: 99
    edited 08.06.2013
    setting selling price as cost of goods sold reduces the profit margin....it is actually much higher...I'll do one math
    OK calculation based on water tower level 5, workshop level 5 and -97% happiness at main farm

    Need 5 (Water tower lvl 5) feed to produce 166 eggs (lvl 5 chicken coop)

    Need ( 5/166 ) x 150 = 4.518072 feed to produce 150 eggs

    Need 10 corn (workshop lvl 5) to produce 5 feed

    Need (10/5) x 4.518072 = 9.036144578 corn to produce 4.518072 feed

    Cost of 19 corn (seeds) is 50 dollars (lvl 5 field)

    Cost of 9.036144578 corn is (50/19) x 9.036144578 = 23.77932784 dollars

    Because of the -97% happiness the cost of running the chicken coop is 0

    Therefore cost of goods for 150 eggs is only 23.77932784 dollars

    Now the restaurant level is 5 for me with -100% happiness and no water tower or workshop

    Because of the -100% happiness, like the chicken coop the runnig cost for making the omlet is 0

    My omlet selling price is 2,300 dollars

    so we are looking at a profit of ( 2,300 - 23.77932784) = 2276.220672 dollars

    Net profit margin = { ( 2,300 - 23.77932784)/ 2,300 } x 100 = 98.97%
  • SirGeorge (US1)SirGeorge (US1) Posts: 354
    edited 09.06.2013
    So should demolish my bakery and dairy so I can make more omelets?
  • edited 09.06.2013
    No, Sir George i would suggest not doing that. :)

    First of all i want to say, "Good Job doing all that Math!"

    Second of all i am going to agree with Monica on this one, I think Apple Pie is Better then Omelets.
    I am making Apple pie when i have the ingredients, which is about every couple of hours or so.
    I have my bakery and dairy always running, so i can get ingredients and XP.

    Well that is what i have to say.

    Yours Truly,
    Super Space Girl
  • Lilypaddle (INT1)Lilypaddle (INT1) Posts: 614
    edited 09.06.2013
    I still make omelets, I consider it easy money! Just like making the wildflower bouquets, they cost me nothing. If I'm going to be on for awhile I'll make both of these consistently while I'm on. I pretty well make everything it just depends on what I have and what I feel like giving up. I'm just the type that has to have something being made no matter what!
  • edited 09.06.2013
    maxiroy2 wrote: »
    I'm just the type that has to have something being made no matter what!

    I am the same way, I will still make Omelets if it is late and i know i am going to bed shortly and i can't make Apple Pie. But like Monica said i am no going to sit in front of the computer making Omelets.
  • ss02092ss02092 Posts: 772
    edited 09.06.2013
    Spljushka wrote: »
    ss02092, you use selling prices for pastry and sugar, but what are their production costs?

    LoveTheThunder2, what are your ingredients costs for apple pies?


    As i said i made the calculations based on selling price only... since i know them by hand.

    Thanks to GGS i was not able to login to the system much time to look into other infos to do the calculation...
    The logged in time, i used to sow corn and tried a lot to finish the fairy tale event... Still more than 250 fireflies to go...

    I though of making a detailed calculation later when this is fixed.. Now i see other post having those calculations as well...
  • connerk2connerk2 Posts: 177
    edited 28.06.2013
    SirGeorge wrote: »
    So should demolish my bakery and dairy so I can make more omelets?

    Hey, noticed everyone left out an important factor:
    Add potential upgrades into your factor.
    Look here's the simple math...more money in less time let's you max your farm and profit regardless of the percentage.
    It's not rocket science.

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