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Update Mar 11th - Still waiting for Easter - Discussion

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  • Cartouschke3Cartouschke3 Posts: 3
    edited 10.03.2013
    If there is going to be a new farm again, could we please have much more information about it before we buy it, or have it. I have a gourmet farm, butt it was a big surprise that everything in there takes so much money to buy and upgrade. My money is gone. So please no more so big surprises. Please much more information about all we can have in the new farm or do in there before we have it. PLEASE

    Don't expect GGS to tell you. They decided what price they think is fair so if you ask them they'll tell you it will be a fair price...

    You'll just have to watch this forum to keep yourself informed.
  • Cartouschke3Cartouschke3 Posts: 3
    edited 10.03.2013
    well, in my opinion if you get the boot from a co-op you can reclaim all of your donations (money and/or gold) instead of them being long lost :):):):):)

    That's a great idea...

    When they boot a person that person should have the option to reclaim any donations that occurred during the last 7 days.

    Maybe there should be a mechanism to prevent the coop from finishing a (hastily started) research whenever the person that was booted reclaimed their contribution. That way there is some sort warning for new members when they join a coop if they see a research is on hold because of booting people after donating.

    That is only valid upon booting someone, if the person decides to leave the coop it's all fair that they loose whatever they haven't reclaimed themselves before leaving.
  • ezio auditore3ezio auditore3 Posts: 2,399
    edited 10.03.2013
    thats a good idea too @Cartouschke :):):)
  • lululexilululexi Posts: 1
    edited 10.03.2013
    If there is going to be a new farm again, could we please have much more ation about it before we buy it, or have it. I have a gourmet farm, butt it was a big surprise that everything in there takes so much money to buy and upgrade. My money is gone. So please no more so big surprises. Please much more information about all we can have in the new farm or do in there before we have it. no
  • farmerkit2farmerkit2 Posts: 177
    edited 10.03.2013
    Come on, people, we can just ignore the third farm (much like I am ignoring my second). Taking into account how slow the game already is... no thanks.

    New Zoom level: yay! Especially the "zoom level will be saved properly if you switch farms". Could it also remember whether my mission window and/or quest window were minimized?

    Many error messages - will there be an end for the situation where I click something, it shows it harvests/feeds/etc, then shows the same again (like it hadn't done anything), and when I click again thinking that I didn't click well, five more seconds later it throws me some YOU_ALREADY_DID_IT_ERROR like it was my fault?
  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 11.03.2013
    lululexi wrote: »
    If there is going to be a new farm again, could we please have much more ation about it before we buy it, or have it. I have a gourmet farm, butt it was a big surprise that everything in there takes so much money to buy and upgrade. My money is gone. So please no more so big surprises. Please much more information about all we can have in the new farm or do in there before we have it. no
    Lululexi, you can always do what some of the members here have done and hold off purchasing the new farm when it's available and starting a thread to find out what members that have it actually think of it. ;)

    Kat. Kittie_by_otomosc.gif
  • jessica.rjessica.r Posts: 1
    edited 11.03.2013
    If there is going to be a new farm again, could we please have much more information about it before we buy it, or have it. I have a gourmet farm, butt it was a big surprise that everything in there takes so much money to buy and upgrade. My money is gone. So please no more so big surprises. Please much more information about all we can have in the new farm or do in there before we have it. PLEASE
    . :Di love this game
    Now my gourmet farm has a 100% happiness and no cost at all. Butt it took a lot of money. And it takes a long long time before i have my money back from there. And i dont have money to buy land in main farm at next level.
    .i know that we just need mor moniy and helpers


    Post edited by Kat Nip: Merged posts, please use the edit button
  • partymelonpartymelon Posts: 29
    edited 11.03.2013
    Thank you GGS for the extra zoom out.......That is sooo much easier!!! :)
  • RosaRot (INT1)RosaRot (INT1) Posts: 17
    edited 11.03.2013
    I LOVE the extra zoom out :)

    For the first time no tiresome trying to move the farm to see all production facilities :)
    And - it really actually stays when I go to the second farm - YAY!
  • ADAMOO74ADAMOO74 Posts: 18
    edited 11.03.2013
    the amount of extra xp is not worth the chick and pig feed how cheap of ggs to only give us 1xp per stable we harvest

    I don't think ppl will be falling over themselves to get to the van to donate lol
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 11.03.2013
    the girl with the van i don't understand--I am supposed to donate All my feed for 1xp? I am not wasting it for this.
    I have the feed, but i am not wasting my time on this one. Please tell me it is different lol.
  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 11.03.2013
    Actually, what happens is you get xp on collecting produce from the pig sty's and the chicken coops for 24 hours.

    It appears to be 1xp per chicken coop. I don't know what the pig sty gives you yet.

    Kat. Kittie_by_otomosc.gif
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 11.03.2013
    and what about for donating the feed? Seriously!
  • ADAMOO74ADAMOO74 Posts: 18
    edited 11.03.2013
    the pig sty gives 1xp also
  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 11.03.2013
    Thanks Adam. That makes sense.... duh me! :)

    Monica, you don't have to hand anything over if you don't want to. If you don't feel that the extra xp is worth the feed, then don't participate.

    Kat. Kittie_by_otomosc.gif
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 11.03.2013
    I might if i know what the reward is! GGGRRRRRrrr.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 11.03.2013
    monica, the reward for donating the feed is a 1XP every time you collect from the pigs and chickens for the 24 hours following your donation

    As the event runs for longer than 24 hours it may be, if you like the deal, you can donate again. Perhaps the first person to complete the 24 hours will let us know
  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 11.03.2013
    I've told you what the reward is Monica, you get 1xp every time you collect product from each of your chicken coops and pig stys for 24 hours.

    Kat. Kittie_by_otomosc.gif


    Edit: Thanks rhon, you beat me to it! :)


    Edit 2: It turns out you get 1xp on your cow sheds too.
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 11.03.2013
    Then what is the 24 hour thing for? That clock is not running and the other one is for donating the feed says like 66 hours? I am so confused.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 11.03.2013
    The clock will start running when you fill the donation. You will then get 1XP every time you collect from any of the animals for the next 24 hours

    The whole event lasts much longer, but the clock for the extra XP lasts for 24 hours starting from when you donate. No point in it running if you haven't chosen to donate or haven't donated yet

    As I already said it may be you can even donate again for another 24 hours

    edit - I've said any of the animals - but don't know about goats
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 11.03.2013
    AAAHHhh Finally! thank you Rhon!
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 11.03.2013
    You're welcome
  • farmerkit2farmerkit2 Posts: 177
    edited 11.03.2013
    I have no use for this quest at all. What would more xp give me? A new level. With new tasks. Thanks, but I still have heaps of tasks from old levels that I can't fulfill because I lack money, so, instead of donating feed it would be wiser for me to make less feed and sell corn/wheat for money.

    It seems that with this new update, the new tasks now add to the top of list - at least before, my Three Little Tasks always were at the bottom of list. I really like the new way because there is no reason I should stare all the time at those old tasks from ten levels ago. Actually, I used to scroll all the time... now I hopefully don't have to.

    Blah, and I just rearranged all my farm a couple days ago so that it would be easier to catch the most important parts at the same time - seems with this new zoom, I don't need it anymore. ;(
  • EudoxiaSixkilla2EudoxiaSixkilla2 Posts: 1
    edited 11.03.2013
    Has anyone else noticed that their windmill now... shakes? Or rocks kind of?
  • ezio auditore3ezio auditore3 Posts: 2,399
    edited 11.03.2013
    Thanks for the heads up guys:( I already donated the feed and guess what? After wasting all my feed I can now harvest from stables I don't have feed for (except for the cows)
  • BigEarsBigEars Posts: 3
    edited 11.03.2013
    I am at a bit of a loss here concerning the Vicky Ventura Event. Right off, the math looked weak at best. I'm a "Have to know why" kinda guy, so I dove into it. Apologies in advance for this being lengthy, but that's what it took.

    I presume that this is for a player at a lower level (maybe 15 or below?), who for some reason is really wanting XP to level up. It could be a Lvl.50 player, but I seriously doubt it. So, our player (I don't think it's a gold buyer, that wouldn't seem to really fit the very tiny niche for this event. Unless, of course. they are a click-happy gold spender, buying their way through a Mission, but that's an even smaller slice of the demographic pie) makes the required donation and scores the extra 1 XP per production cycle bonus. What could that ultimately return? Well, if they were a perfectly efficient clicker, had all 24 of the available hours at their disposal, and a case of Red Bull, they could score this (per production facility) for the effort:
    Chickens (00:13:00) - 110 production cycles = 110 XP
    Pigs (01:10:00 - 20 production cycles = 20 XP
    Cows (07:00:00) - 3 production cycles = 3 XP
    A single facility of each type, total after 24 hours = 133 XP

    Granted, multiple production facilities would change this total, but it still seems a paltry sum for what the entry fee is. This made me curious as to what the alternative use of the bags of feed would bring. Presuming that a player was already going to produce both corn and cabbage (due to it being required for the event), I didn't factor the cost for that production in here. The costs of any processing after the harvest does come into play, and for this I've used a -1% adjusted production cost for all facilities (as close as a lazy guy could get to 0%).
    - Mill production cost (@-1% cost): Pig Feed = $88, Chicken Feed = $21.
    - Silo production cost (@-1% cost): $1268.
    - Apple Orchard production cost (@-1% cost): $3,021.
    - Composter production cost (@-1% cost): $363.

    I. Donated to Vicky Ventura for added XP from processing operations for 24 hours:
    417 Chicken Feed = 42 (x 1:10:00) Windmill production runs.
    - 42 runs x 30 corn = 1260 corn.
    - Value of 1260 corn (x $6) = $7,560.
    - Windmill cost (42 x $21) = 882.
    - Cost to produce/donate 417 bags = 8,442.

    203 Pig Feed = 21 (x 13:00) Windmill production runs.
    - 21 runs x 60 cabbages = 1260 cabbages
    - Value of 1260 cabbages (x %5) = $6,300.
    - Windmill cost (21 x $88) = 1,848.
    - Cost to produce/donate 203 bags = 8,148.

    Total cost to the farm for this event = $16,590.


    II. Feed items not donated, but instead used on the farm for further production needs:
    420 Chicken Feed (42 runs) through a Lvl.1 Coop (@-1% cost= $32 cost/run, producing 124
    eggs and 10 dung)
    - 124 eggs x $3 = $372. Less $32 Coop cost = $340.
    - Total of 42 runs = $14,280. Less $8442 feed cost= $5,838 profit, 410 dung.

    210 Pig Feed (21 runs) through a Lvl.1 Pigsty (@-1% cost= $147 cost/run, producing 130
    pigs and 33 dung)
    - 130 pigs x $5 = $650. Less $147 Pigsty cost - $503.
    - Total of 21 runs = $10,563. Less $8,148 feed cost= $2,415 profit, 693 dung.

    Realized profits if used on farm to produce eggs and pigs, after selling produce: $8,253.
    - Cost of a Silo: $1,000. (Gives XP: +1)
    - Cost of an Apple Orchard: $3,500. (Gives XP: +2)
    - Cost of a Composter: $700. (Gives XP: +1)

    After purchase of the structures above, still have $3,053 usable cash on hand. Gain XP: +4.

    Running the Silo using 210 dung from the 1103 above (potential of 5.25 runs) (@ $1268/run)
    = 10 Fertlizer. Gain XP: +6. This leaves $1,785 usable cash.

    The Apple Orchard requires $3,021 to operate, so there is a $1,236 deficit. This is about 41 corn crops on a single Lvl.1 field (@ -1% costs). Not a huge amount to generate, and can be done in a myriad of ways (4 more runs of eggs, etc.). Gather these funds, launch an apple crop, and you are then on your way to harvesting a $14,300 crop (pure profit at this point), and can have a vastly improved infrastructure that will always produce for you. Add this number to the $16,590 total cost of the event's feed entry price, and soon you're talking real money.

    Factor in that this is a long-term play game, and the production that can occur while waiting to level up, and I don't quite see what the devs were shooting for. I can already hear Kat Nip saying "You don't have to participate, Big Ears", which is true. But, I'm still just baffled by the deal. The production of the feed for the entry generated 82 XP in itself, Why not just do that one and one-half more times, keep the cash, and move forward? I don't know, maybe it's because instant gratification is the norm anymore.

    Tell Vicky The Vet to call a cab. Go for the apples...
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 11.03.2013
    From another post as well it seems the amount you need to donate varies. She wants 733 chicken feed from me and 357 pig feed.

    I haven't done the sums like you have but had already taken KatNips advice :) and decided it wasn't worthwhile for me.

    But as the amounts asked for vary I wonder if your presumption "I presume that this is for a player at a lower level (maybe 15 or below?)" will hold for those lower level players?
  • johndehaan (NL1)johndehaan (NL1) Posts: 1
    edited 11.03.2013
    weet iemand namen van teams die spelers eruit gooien naardat ze gedoneert hebben

    names of teams that trow players out after they pay money for coming in that team



    Post edited by Kat Nip: Merged posts, please use the edit button
  • TopherII (US1)TopherII (US1) Posts: 47
    edited 11.03.2013
    That is the nice thing about this game BigEars, you do have a choice whether or not to participate in the events that they have. And Katnip would be correct, you do not have to participate. But, I know I appreciate your post either way. So thank you for taking time to do the math.

    Thank you,

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  • juniper23juniper23 Posts: 56
    edited 11.03.2013
    One thing I'd like to point out is that the happiness level does matter in deciding whether it's worthwhile to participate. At -0% or worse, the running costs are very high. I'd assume that most people are not near 0%, or at least shouldn't be. I just recently achieved -53% happiness, but for ease of calculation, I'll just use 50%. Btw, why use -1% when -0% would have been even easier?

    The seed and production costs for growing the corn or cabbage (the field costs) were not included. Costs of sub-assemblies should always be carried through to the final product sold. Otherwise it can appear one is making a profit when one really is not. The example on the 2nd farm of sugar beets converted to sugar comes to mind. It's actually a loss to sell the sugar because of the costs to grow the sugar beets. It's only profitable when that sugar is finally converted to something else that's earns more than the cost of growing the sugar beets.

    Additionally, I don't think you can include lost value of the corn/cabbage if sold, when you have already converted them to chicken/pig feed. This means you intend to make eggs/pigs. That $16590 figure reflects cost of replacing the feed, presumably to be made into eggs/pigs (and dung). Not the replacement cost of crops to be sold which would have never been turned into feed.

    The majority of that $16590 is from loss of corn/cabbage sales, which makes it look very high. By my calculations using -1% happiness:
    $882 from windmill + $2100 from seeds + $210 from fields = $3192 for chicken feed
    $1848 from windmill + $2415 from seeds + $504 from fields = $4767 for pig feed
    $7959 total

    At -50% happiness:
    $462 + $2100 + $84 = $2646
    $231 + $2415 + $252 = $2898
    $5544 total

    In my case, I participated in the event without making any calculations. It basically comes down to spending farmdollars to buy XP points. I can always make more farmdollars later, and in my situation I produce more feed than I can use, so it won't take away from my egg/pig production. It will only delay when my mill goes idle, which is a good thing. Also, the XP are generated in addition to all the other activities that generate XP during the day. It's like icing on the cake to me. (For a fee.) With my 3 chicken coops, 2 pigsties and 1 cow shed, I have the potential to make 373XP. It will probably be much less, even half of that, but I'll still see a benefit from 187XP.

    Also, there seems to be an assumption that donating the feed would stop egg/pig/apple/cherry production. In my case it won't, but if you are in that situation, then it would be unwise to donate the feed.
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