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Roses

Selling price was 180 if i remember.
How many roses i can grow, if i have 70 seeds? Is it 70 roses, or what??
I dont know, i havent had roses. I was jut thinkng that if i donate money, can i have my money back with selling roses.
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  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 27.02.2013
    Yes the unit price for roses is $180 but it depends on what level field you have as to how many units of roses you get in total from each seed.

    Level 1 = 20 units
    Level 3 = 24 units
    Level 4 = 28 units
    Level 5 = 30 units

    I don't have a level 2 field, but from those figures I suspect I'm pretty safe saying that a level 2 field would give you 22 units.

    And don't forget, humas and super humus add more to the totals.

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  • kerppu kerttukerppu kerttu Posts: 17
    edited 27.02.2013
    Ah ok. Thank you very much
  • Areadien2Areadien2 Posts: 54
    edited 27.02.2013
    The info panel says how many roses you get, Kat, on page 3 of the crop info. A level 2 field does give 22 roses, like you said.
  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 28.02.2013
    ... And to think I did it the hard way! Thanks Areadien. :)

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  • Areadien2Areadien2 Posts: 54
    edited 01.03.2013
    Where do the roses go once they're harvested? Do they automatically get sold?
  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 01.03.2013
    No, they get stored like all the rest of the products grown/produced and is managed in the Farm Management window like the rest. The same storage limitations apply to them as it does to the feed etc. You sell roses like you would eggs.

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  • Areadien2Areadien2 Posts: 54
    edited 01.03.2013
    But I don't see a slot for them in the Farm Management tab. Does it show up only when someone has roses?
  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 01.03.2013
    Yes. You can see where you find them here.

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  • Areadien2Areadien2 Posts: 54
    edited 01.03.2013
    Alright, cool. Thanks!
  • patrickjohnsonpatrickjohnson Posts: 44
    edited 02.03.2013
    Kat Nip2 wrote: »
    Yes the unit price for roses is $180 but it depends on what level field you have as to how many units of roses you get in total from each seed.

    Level 1 = 20 units
    Level 3 = 24 units
    Level 4 = 28 units
    Level 5 = 30 units

    I don't have a level 2 field, but from those figures I suspect I'm pretty safe saying that a level 2 field would give you 22 units.

    And don't forget, humas and super humus add more to the totals.

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    Forgive me if my math is off, please correct if so.

    For every 260 dollars, I get 1 charity point.

    To achieve 3000 to get 70 rose seeds equals 780,000 dollars.

    Sell said rose seeds. WITH HUMUS and lvl 5 field.

    one seed gives 30 units/humus 45: sell equals 8100 dollars

    times 70 seeds equals 567,000 dollars. Humus used 70, without humus sales equals 378,000 dollars.

    Loss 213,000 dollars and 70 humus.
    or
    402,000 dollars without humus.

    Is this accurate or did I miss something how roses work?

    Thanks.
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 02.03.2013
    Kat nip has it without using humus, whereas you do.

    both of you are correct (I think). Numbers are not good for me, but i understand it as i paid far less than what i will be selling them. I know that I have used the roses ONLY on fully upgraded fields, with humus so i stand to make a good profit from them. 7o seeds and when i harvest them I get 8,100 from each field--considering that i paid just a little over $300,000 and will almost double my money in the end--i say pretty good deal.
  • patrickjohnsonpatrickjohnson Posts: 44
    edited 02.03.2013
    Kat nip has it without using humus, whereas you do.

    both of you are correct (I think). Numbers are not good for me, but i understand it as i paid far less than what i will be selling them. I know that I have used the roses ONLY on fully upgraded fields, with humus so i stand to make a good profit from them. 7o seeds and when i harvest them I get 8,100 from each field--considering that i paid just a little over $300,000 and will almost double my money in the end--i say pretty good deal.

    How did you pay only 300,000$ for the 3000 charity points? I ran the numbers at ten different points on the slide scale and that doesn't add up.

    And even IF you did, which again I question. If you use humus your "Profit" will be 267,000$ but losing 70 humus, which is no small matter at all.

    Without Humus your profit is only 102,000$ not exactly rolling it in.

    But this is all hyperbole until the matter of the cost of charity points that you claim is resolved. Check your slider again and divide amount of Dollars versus Charity points and I hope your numbers are the same as mine. If not, your getting a discount that I ain't. :)

    Please let me know.

    Patrick
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 02.03.2013
    geez i can't remember the EXACT number that i paid, but i think it was like $313,000 or $330,000. If i had known an EXACT figure was required, i would have taken a screenshot, but i did not think it necessary.
    I just did a few figures in my head and thought it was a good deal. I am NOT paying in more than that. I can't afford to buy into the top 100 as it is now and there are several more days to go--I would literally be throwing my money away.
    Really doesn't matter to me that much. There is a big difference between getting the base prize vs the top 100 prize. And hopefully by now you will see that there are more reasons to play the game besides profit.

    And as for the scale, on several other threads it has already been discussed that the more $$$paid in the less points per dollar donated you get in return--that is why it don't match up.

    Stop attacking me.
  • patrickjohnsonpatrickjohnson Posts: 44
    edited 02.03.2013
    Monica, Please I was not attacking you at all, that was NEVER my intention. You have a great farm, 746 posts on the forum and have played this game longer than I have, I was asking for nothing more than your input based on your longer experience.

    All I ask, or asked is to check your slider and report back your findings so I can corroborate the data with other people to establish credibility, perhaps my intentions came across as glib but were not intended to be so.

    And all my posts with the data, numbers and gummy bears are intended for one thing and one thing only. I want to help people make better decisions with their time and money. Micro transaction browser games find ways to to pull more money out of players, some of it fair and balanced, some not.

    It's ok for Big farm to make money, I buy gold. But I also just try to be a voice of balance.

    All for the game, with apologies if offended Monica.

    Patrick.
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 02.03.2013
    and my point i was trying to say is that the roses for the 3000 points is not bad IF you have level 5 fields and IF you have fert to use. Math is a struggle for me, but i do know if i am paying in more than i stand to gain--it is NOT a good deal. Since I will gain almost double the money i paid in, i think that is pretty good.

    Can we just end it here?
  • patrickjohnsonpatrickjohnson Posts: 44
    edited 02.03.2013
    Ok, anyway. While I pick these Olive Branch twigs out of my teeth I would appreciate if anyone can check the costs per dollar of charity points to corroborate my findings.

    I just want to see if my data stands up or if I was in error.

    Thanks In advance.
  • Areadien2Areadien2 Posts: 54
    edited 02.03.2013
    I paid exactly $313,624. If you have already gained 3000 points, the numbers won't add up for you because the point system is a diminishing return, which means that, as you put in more money, you get fewer points from it. As well, if you paid a little bit at a time, you may have paid money that did not count toward getting points.

    I put these in another thread, but for the sake of convenience here, I will show attach these pictures here to prove that 3k points cost a minimum of $313,624.

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  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 02.03.2013
    Yes--Thank you Areadien--i think that is the information he was requesting.
  • SystemSystem Posts: 106,969
    edited 02.03.2013
    I *think*, can someone confirm or correct me, that you also get extra XP from harvesting Roses, so it is not just a dollar gain from planting roses
  • Areadien2Areadien2 Posts: 54
    edited 02.03.2013
    Yeah, you get 4exp from each harvest. The field's info panel says so.
  • patrickjohnsonpatrickjohnson Posts: 44
    edited 02.03.2013
    Thank you Areadien, That was the info I was looking for as I already did purchase the 3000 and couldn't back track.

    Now what I don't understand is why have a non linear scale when there is only the one static prize, the 70 rose seed pack.

    As this would only matter to people trying to get in the top 100 and certainly not me but I'm still curious.

    Any Theories anyone?
  • juniper23juniper23 Posts: 56
    edited 03.03.2013
    My theory would be that the devs wanted everyone to be able to participate in the event, but not make it too easy, therefore the 3000 points and 313k farmdollars required for those 70 rose seeds. That way everyone is a winner somehow as long as they could divert 313k from their normal incomes within about a week. I think most people can do that.

    For the really motivated people, the diminishing returns formula makes sure only the most motivated people WITH the resources to back them up will have a chance at claiming the other prizes. In other words to make it a challenge. Also, this way it's easier to program just the one formula that allows the less able people to participate and still make it a challenge for the high-rollers.

    If you've ever seen the farms of some of the highest ranked players on here, you'd see that they can generate enormous amounts of farm dollars and often have high level decorations to lower their running costs to 0 farmdollars or close. This means they only pay for seed costs.

    Also, some people really want to compete for that top prize. Think of it like an auction. People can go crazy at auctions. In this case the highest bidder/donator gets the fountain.
  • Jim52Jim52 Posts: 45
    edited 03.03.2013
    Hmm I'm not convinced a non-linear function really provides those things you mentioned juniper23. All that different functions do is represent farm dollars differently.

    Consider a linear function 1 point = 100 farm dollars
    If the player in 3rd place has invested 1 million dollars, they would have 10,000 points

    With the non-linear function the player in 3rd place has still invested 1 million dollars, they just only got 6,000 points (I don't know the actual figure)

    In both cases, if I wanted to overtake the person in 3rd place, I would need to have a total investment of just over 1 million to have more points.

    All the non-linear function does is makes it difficult to calculate how many farm dollars you need to achieve a certain goal. You either have to figure out the formula or have more farm dollars worth of points than the number of points you require in order to see it on the donate screen.

    I guess you could argue that this makes it more of a challenge because it's hard to know how hard you would need to work to get a certain point value or whether it is even achievable given the maximum output of your farm.

    With this in mind, consider this scenario.. There's an hour to go and you've been competing fiercely for a spot in the top 3 (or top 100), you've just been knocked into 5th place (or 102nd) and if you want to get back to 3rd place, you've got no option but to spend some gold. Whether it's a linear or non-linear scale, bidding wars are always going to happen (like you mentioned), because when you've already invested so much, investing a little more is usually going to seem more appealing than giving up.
    The difference with the two types of functions is that say you need 500 more points. With a linear scale you know exactly how much more you'd have to invest, and based on that amount you can decide if it's worth it or not, but with the non-linear function it's less clear. Would buying X number of dollars from the handily placed salesman/sales woman parked outside your farm be enough? You try it but alas, you've still come up short, now you're back to the same crossroads but you've invested even more this time, so you're less likely to give up.. This scenario is pretty favorable for the developers who want you to spend gold. And don't get me wrong I don't think spending gold is a bad thing, this game has to pay for itself somehow, I just think this scenario makes this cash grab a little less ethical.

    Another scenario is the lower level players with not so many disposable farm dollars, that are donating their farm dollars bit by bit, until they come to the realization that it's going to cost them a lot more than they thought, but now that they've already invested, they face the same crossroad - give up or spend gold and get the 3000 points for the minimum reward so that at least their investment wasn't completely wasted. I feel sorry for these players.

    Both scenarios are made worse by the choice of a non-linear over a linear function.

    Sorry if this went on a bit, I'd sum up with a conclusion but it's a long enough post already.
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  • patrickjohnsonpatrickjohnson Posts: 44
    edited 03.03.2013
    No, i think you nailed it right on the head. In essence the top 150 or so and top 10 ish are going to beating themselves up against the diminishing return scale. And the bidding war hasn't even started yet.

    And yup, players that have already invested hundreds of thousands or millions already are locked into a mind set of a gambling addict trying to recoup their blown paycheck.

    I cant wait to see what the top three wind up paying :)
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 03.03.2013
    I think a more solid investment is to open up your car window and hold a few million dollars in a paper bag and let go. The ones you can still hold onto is your winnings. ;(
  • patrickjohnsonpatrickjohnson Posts: 44
    edited 03.03.2013
    I think a more solid investment is to open up your car window and hold a few million dollars in a paper bag and let go. The ones you can still hold onto is your winnings. ;(

    LOL, that or see if you can help that Nigerian Prince that emailed saying by giving all your account information he has millions for you, what can go wrong?!
  • Jim52Jim52 Posts: 45
    edited 03.03.2013
    I cant wait to see what the top three wind up paying :)

    I'm on a low populous server so I don't think ours is going to be too crazy, but I'd love to hear what the top spend on your server ends up at! I guess someone should figure out a rough formula to convert points into dollars so we know what they spent :)
  • Areadien2Areadien2 Posts: 54
    edited 04.03.2013
    This is exactly why I spent the minimum for the rose seeds. I'm not doing bidding wars.
  • Mirja (NL1)Mirja (NL1) Posts: 141
    edited 04.03.2013
    900 points will cost me: 16.468 dollars x 3,333 = 3000 points for 54.839 dollars.
    1500 poinst will cost me: 57.378 dollars x 2 = 3000 points for 114.756 dollars.

    So it's better to give every day a little bit?
    Is there a limit to how many times per day you can donate?
  • nienke76 (NL1)nienke76 (NL1) Posts: 44
    edited 04.03.2013
    I am waiting for tomorrow to see if I'll stay in the top 100, but I am a bit worried that by the end of it, it will go up way too far to still gain money from it. I am on a small server too, otherwise I wouldn't be in the top 100 all together.

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