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Update: Monday, February 11th 2013 - a lot of small things - Discussion

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  • Catalyste3Catalyste3 Posts: 45
    edited 12.02.2013
    Nafaru wrote: »
    If we had done that, those who bought the water tower and maybe invested real money in it, would have felt cheated. That's why we have decided that those who bought it already can keep the effects and those who want to buy it will still be able to get the level 1 water tower for the same price.

    Alright, I'll take that adjusting those levels would also be harmful. However I feel this is one of those situations where you need to swallow that mistake and not make us pay for it. You created the Workshop after the Water Tower has been out. You realized your mistake after people were paying into it. Therefore it's not the users' fault that this happened, yet we have to pay for it....with more money?

    The Water Tower wasn't giving out more power. You guys simply lacked the options to give us more room to explore this game. People with too much Feed or Fertilizer would have LOVED the ability to sell it to other users. That creates a true community feel, not just joining a co-op.

    You guys didn't need to resort to robbing people. Just come up with another way to lessen the load that won't smack us in the face.

    All you needed was a little more time reading, planning, and putting 1 and 1 together to come up with a completely workable system.

    You rushed this decision. And that's sad.
  • Muslim Farmer (US1)Muslim Farmer (US1) Posts: 118
    edited 12.02.2013
    Nafaru wrote: »
    Please discuss anything Farmer related in the Farmer forums.

    That link is to the German version of Farmer forum, many of us do not speak German, I checked the English forum of Farmer and it is the exact same forum as this forum (Big Farm forum)
    Here is the link to this thread we are discussing now in the English Farmer forum:

    http://en.board.goodgamestudios.com/farmer/showthread.php?51586-Update-Monday-February-11th-2013-a-lot-of-small-things-Discussion


    I hope GGS cafe won't be closed next.
  • CM NafaruCM Nafaru Posts: 1,325
    edited 12.02.2013
    Whoops, sorry about that.

    Link fixed :)
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 12.02.2013
    Hey guys,

    we're aware the recent price changes to the water tower might seem a bit steep. Our initial planning of Big Farm was aiming for never having to raise any price, ever, but after we established the new workshop, we had to rethink the water tower. Especially on higher levels, the water tower is extremely powerful, way more powerful than we planned it to be, since there are a lot of new items coming, and the workshop did influence this, too. We had to either take down the efficiency of the tower, or raise the price to keep a proper balancing.
    Now, since we didn't want to "punish" the players who already bought the tower, and since we also would have a big mess with the comparison of water tower and workshop, we decided to raise the upgrade price to be more similar to the workshop pricing.
    The buy price is still the same than before, so even new players can profit from the water tower's first level.
  • monica79538monica79538 Posts: 1,932
    edited 12.02.2013
    So it is ok to punish the people that can't afford to pay the upgrade price? So nice that you KNOW that it is too powerful, then publicize that the price is going to increase (BY MORE than double to go from level 2 to 3), but nothing will be done to lessen the power of the watertower. I bet gold sales were really good over the weekend.

    The missions are so out of balance--i don't even want to do them--even for the egg challenges. Starting to not want to log in.
  • Catalyste3Catalyste3 Posts: 45
    edited 13.02.2013
    Latten wrote: »
    Hey guys,

    we're aware the recent price changes to the water tower might seem a bit steep. Our initial planning of Big Farm was aiming for never having to raise any price, ever, but after we established the new workshop, we had to rethink the water tower. Especially on higher levels, the water tower is extremely powerful, way more powerful than we planned it to be, since there are a lot of new items coming, and the workshop did influence this, too. We had to either take down the efficiency of the tower, or raise the price to keep a proper balancing.
    Now, since we didn't want to "punish" the players who already bought the tower, and since we also would have a big mess with the comparison of water tower and workshop, we decided to raise the upgrade price to be more similar to the workshop pricing.
    The buy price is still the same than before, so even new players can profit from the water tower's first level.


    Ok, explain how the Water Tower is too powerful? I'm seeing this being used by the staff, but it's not being explained what that power is. I'm aware that people end up having too much Fertilizer and Feed, but that isn't being "too powerful." It's not even hurting your game, financially.

    If a person is clogged up with Fertilizer and Feed due to the reduction use of the Water Tower, then there are other ways to counter this effect without sticking it to people.

    a) Add more land purchases to the existing farms.

    b) Allow users to buy/sell Feed and Fertilizer.

    These are two simple things you COULD HAVE done. But instead you based it on another item you released, so now we all have to suffer a new price tag?

    Yes, you are punishing us. Matter of fact, I think it's a weak thing to say to allow people to purchase a Water Tower and be shut out of buying the upgrades. They'll be stuck on lvl 1. I'm sorry to say, but that's horrible to do. You may as well go up on the initial cost of the Water Tower itself instead of suckering people like that.
  • farmerkit2farmerkit2 Posts: 177
    edited 13.02.2013
    Catalyste3 wrote: »
    b) Allow users to buy/sell Feed and Fertilizer.

    It is possible to sell feed, at least, once you have too much of it (I have never had too much fertilizer).
  • RosaRot (INT1)RosaRot (INT1) Posts: 17
    edited 13.02.2013
    Latten wrote: »
    Hey guys,

    we're aware the recent price changes to the water tower might seem a bit steep.

    It doesn't just seem steep, to be candid, >40 Euro for a virtual item (the water tower on level 5) is quite a massive amount.
    Especially when the price raise comes at the same time as the announcement that a second game from GGS is shut down within the next weeks.

    When I spend a comparable amount in other games, I have the trust that I don't have to worry about the game shutting down in near future due to missing turnaround. In addition, no single virtual item costs more than 5 - 10$, so it doesn't feel that mad to invest into pixels.

    I don't feel the watertower on the highest level is worth the same amount as a wooden sledge, or a 64gb usb stick, or whatever non-virtual goods you can purchase for that money. It's not 'a bit steep', it's completely out of the question from my perspective, and no incentive at all to purchase gold.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited 13.02.2013
    it's simple economics supply an demand
    as long as people are buying the articles prices remain high

    i also think prices are to high even for a game i enjoy playing
    so i don't buy anymore but i also don't complain about it
    i just play the game as it is and enjoy the good things about it
  • stxlaxstxlax Posts: 1
    edited 13.02.2013
    nafaru wrote: »

    what do you mean
    hsmtammi wrote: »
    Stop complaining people. This is not real life; It's a game. If you dont like the way it's being run, then stop playing it!

    SO TRUE :thumbup::thumbup:


    Post edited by Kat Nip: Merged posts, please use the edit button
  • Mitsumi2Mitsumi2 Posts: 132
    edited 14.02.2013
    NUUUUUUUUUUZ!! I was gonna upgrade ma water tower... *sniffles*
  • paris54paris54 Posts: 1
    edited 14.02.2013
    wait wat does that mean
  • Fred12343Fred12343 Posts: 20
    edited 14.02.2013
    Bring on the complaints. That is an important and valid use of these forums. Also, if you feel strong, get others to show up here as well. From what I can tell there are at least 225,000 players of this game, yet the activity here seems to be limited to 20-30 different people.

    If you don't speak up, don't expect things to change.
  • Catalyste3Catalyste3 Posts: 45
    edited 15.02.2013
    farmerkit2 wrote: »
    It is possible to sell feed, at least, once you have too much of it (I have never had too much fertilizer).

    I've known people to have too much Fertilizer and wished there was a way to sell it. I've also known people who wished they could buy more plots of land on their existing farm because the tasks keep coming after everything is bought and upgraded, but there's no room to expand.
    toetsoep3 wrote: »
    it's simple economics supply an demand
    as long as people are buying the articles prices remain high

    i also think prices are to high even for a game i enjoy playing
    so i don't buy anymore but i also don't complain about it
    i just play the game as it is and enjoy the good things about it


    Nothing gets done if all you ever get is positive feedback.

    I get supply and demand, however that's simply based on empirical proof that the demand justifies the supply and vice versa. But in this case the demand here was non-existent.

    GGS believed that the supply given from the Water Tower was enough in and of itself to demand a higher cost for upgrades due to a theory that perhaps it would buffer the "power" it has.

    Unfortunately, in the end, the result will be that it won't stop this "power," you're just paying more to have it. The problem still exist.

    I had plans to buy some gold to buy the upgrade as well. But since this happened, I'll not be spending my money on this game.
  • thenightlighterthenightlighter Posts: 15
    edited 15.02.2013
    I am new to this game & don't even have a water tower yet. After reading about the increased prices to upgrade it though, I'm not sure if I even want to continue playing. If the water tower is so powerful, and I will have to buy tons of gold to afford upgrades (which I can't do), that means that I'll never be able to successfully compete against players (in missions) that have already fully upgraded their towers for much less than I will have to pay. You didn't want to "punish" the older players so instead you want to "punish" the newer players? Seems counter-productive to me if you're hoping to attract lots of new players! If I will have to pay so much real money to even hope to reach the highest levels, I don't see why I should continue to play the game at all, let alone to put my money into it!
    So I will look forward to see the moderator's answer to that piece of logic! (If they bother to answer at all.) I think you should reverse this "update". Like other people are saying, find another way to counter the supposed power of this building that is equally fair to everyone involved, or just live with your mistake! You made your bed, now sleep in it!
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited 15.02.2013
    i think there is a big demand not just for the watertower but for premium object in general
    just look at the top 20 farms on any server

    and yes the price is high and like you i chose not to do an upgrade and i bet more people opted not to upgrade
    at least for the watertower they priced them selves out of the market
  • edited 15.02.2013
    So I will look forward to see the moderator's answer to that piece of logic! (If they bother to answer at all.) I think you should reverse this "update". Like other people are saying, find another way to counter the supposed power of this building that is equally fair to everyone involved, or just live with your mistake! You made your bed, now sleep in it!

    Well, at least here they still have the thread open. In the greek forum soon after the players' complaints became strong, the moderators hurried to close it.
  • Catalyste3Catalyste3 Posts: 45
    edited 16.02.2013
    toetsoep3 wrote: »
    i think there is a big demand not just for the watertower but for premium object in general
    just look at the top 20 farms on any server

    and yes the price is high and like you i chose not to do an upgrade and i bet more people opted not to upgrade
    at least for the watertower they priced them selves out of the market

    Yes, the demand for Premium objects are the incentives it gives the players.

    Fancy Houses a lower percentage for unhappiness.

    Premium Decorations will give a greater amount of Happiness for the level you're on in compared to the ones bought with dollars.

    Premium Facilities give added bonuses in the amount needed to produce/upgrade/build.

    We have options to buyout the duration of our production stables and fields.

    We have options to buyout the duration of our upgrades and buy up land extensions.

    We also have options to buy out the rest of our collectibles in our co-op projects.

    So, yes, that would be why there is a demand.

    But they were all at a reasonable price people could relate to and agree with.

    As you agreed, they priced themselves out of the market for the Water Tower. From my perspective, the site-side "supply" to increase the price doesn't seem to feed from the "demand" that they were genuinely concerned that there is a problem with what the Water Tower could do, but from a "demand" that they can cash in on it. And as I'm sure we're all pretty much aware, increasing the price doesn't stop the "problem" from happening. It just costs more to have.
  • QqQ (NL1)QqQ (NL1) Posts: 39
    edited 16.02.2013
    Calyste said
    But they were all at a reasonable price people could relate to and agree with.
    General Happiness Meter at BigFarm is approaching RED
  • Catalyste3Catalyste3 Posts: 45
    edited 17.02.2013
    QqQ5 wrote: »
    Calyste said
    General Happiness Meter at BigFarm is approaching RED


    :D

    Hahaha, you said it!
  • CowGirl159CowGirl159 Posts: 1
    edited 17.02.2013
    I am not one to spend money on online games so I can't complain about this but I would like to point something out. I was curious about the upgrading price on the water tower so I thought I could look at it in the game and not buy it. Well, I can see the initial price but no upgrading prices. Personally, if I ever did decide to spend real money on this game, I would like to know how much I would be planning/needing to spend on the entire item, not just the initial price. I, again this is a personal opinion, think that if your going to charge REAL money then the people spending it need to know how much total they are going to spend on that item.

    I mean, if you buy something in real life that requires payments in the future you're not just going to put a down payment on the item without looking into how much it will cost in the long run, as least you really shouldn't do that.
  • edited 17.02.2013
    CowGirl159 wrote: »
    I am not one to spend money on online games so I can't complain about this but I would like to point something out. I was curious about the upgrading price on the water tower so I thought I could look at it in the game and not buy it. Well, I can see the initial price but no upgrading prices. Personally, if I ever did decide to spend real money on this game, I would like to know how much I would be planning/needing to spend on the entire item, not just the initial price. I, again this is a personal opinion, think that if your going to charge REAL money then the people spending it need to know how much total they are going to spend on that item.

    I mean, if you buy something in real life that requires payments in the future you're not just going to put a down payment on the item without looking into how much it will cost in the long run, as least you really shouldn't do that.

    Exactly. That's something I was about to complain too. But you know what? Upgrading prices are supposed to increase periodically -that's how creators make their living and keep us dissatisfied. :)
  • chae3chae3 Posts: 1
    edited 18.02.2013
    tots true if u want a hard and poor life go live with a hobbo cuase if ur poor and ur trying tob rais money go be free live ur life ur life isnt some idiot getting yelled at from some stupid guy sayingt ur fired u should be out side were ur free

    im out of ur leag\


    Post edited by Kat Nip: Merged posts, please use the edit button
  • Samiya110GamerSamiya110Gamer Posts: 3
    edited 16.03.2013
    :):p8);)
    hej
    saga
    kan du skica
    game for baby go toa


    Post edited by Kat Nip: Please post in English
  • mai15mai15 Posts: 185
    edited 19.03.2013
    I started playing this game a couple of weeks ago and i am currently saving my gold to buy the watertower. I will not buy gold to upgrade the tower, so i am wondering if there are any point in buying the tower at all now ?? I dont know how its working since i never had one. What can i gain from the tower level one ?
  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 19.03.2013
    The water tower level 1 reduces the amount of feed and fertilizer you need by 10%. Basically, every 10th time you feed your animals or fertilize your orchards is free.

    Kat. Kittie_by_otomosc.gif
  • MenaceDawg1980MenaceDawg1980 Posts: 93
    edited 31.03.2013
    I've only been playing for a little over a month (I think) and when I saw the price tag on the water tower I figured it was a reasonable purchase. I looked over the upgrades for it and saw that it was definitely a building that would impact the game in a big way and I figured if there was anything I would be saving (and possibly purchasing) gold for, this would be it. A short bit after I accumulated enough gold without actually buying any, I pulled the trigger on the water tower. It did strike me as odd that EVERY other unit in the game has an upgrade breakdown that includes the prices along with the rest of the production stats except for the ones that are purchased with gold. Giving the benefit of doubt, I figured I would see one of 2 things: either the upgrades were going to be some of the highest the game would see using in-game dollars (assuming the gold being charged would just be an initial cost to access this "special" building) or the price would gradually increase in gold with each upgrade just like every other building. Both of each I found acceptable and helped me in finally making the decision to buy. When the water tower finally finished constructing I looked over to the upgrades and saw the pricing. The cost of the next upgrade was 7,500 gold. I laughed and shook my head.

    Well played GGS, well played.
  • Irish30 (US1)Irish30 (US1) Posts: 264
    edited 31.03.2013
    Welcome Dawg to the online and real world of farming...lol...now you know why both type of farmers are always broke, haha. You can easily play this game for free, just your time (some what like gardening in your back yard and have fun) or you can spend a few real dollars and build up your farm faster and do more tasks and later on join a co-op and gain items faster. But like in real life, there is nothing truly free. Hope you stay playing and join us other dirt poor farmers...lmao
  • FarmerTess (AU1)FarmerTess (AU1) Posts: 2,393
    edited 31.03.2013
    I just want to add my comment here about the water tower. I was really struggling to get my apple and cherry orchard going. Some days my cherry orchard was left idle because I had no fertilizer for it. So I decided to forget the cherry orchard and get a second apple orchard. Then I was reading all the comments about the water tower and decided one night I would buy it with the gold I had saved from what I got from the game. What a difference within two days of having the water tower I had both apple orchards and the cherry orchard was no longer idle. It was then that I bought some gold specifically to upgrade the water tower and buy some gold decos.
    I now have fertilizer in abundance and would love the opportunity to be able to donate some to a struggling coop member or any player. Maybe one day it will be available.
  • siddartha4siddartha4 Posts: 7
    edited 31.03.2013
    I am strongly against the price rise of water tower.Any bussiness which tries to fool its customers and just try to suck money from them just goes down.I will also not buy gold next time if the upgrade price is not decreased.You should respect players who buy gold and support the game and not loot them.Instead take a little amount of money from all players once they have completed a month.You also happy and we also.
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