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  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 20.03.2013
    Lois, missions are an individual competition - where you compete against other individuals. Cooperative challenges is what you're referring to.

    You can add members to your cooperative by either inviting them (click on their name in the Ranking list and send them an invite) or advertising that you have a position available and accepting applications.

    Good luck with your cooperative. :)

    Kat. Kittie_by_otomosc.gif
  • Dolphin (AU1)Dolphin (AU1) AU1 Posts: 117
    edited 21.03.2013
    I only do the missions when I do the chicken or the egg project from my cooperative so yes I do use gold coz I need those points to get that project completed and that project costs way too much to fail. However I must say that when I do the missions it is the midnight missions and there is only 3 people doing them anyway. I dont mind if they divide it for gold users and non gold users, however you cant start complaining when you still get beaten by a non gold user because their farm is better then yours and they have a huge amount of humus and they have the helpers on their farms. Before I used gold I got beaten like that and messaged the person to ask how they did it for hints and they told me. Use humus and have the helpers on your farm. It really helps.
    However I do believe that you should be put in the same rankings, I dont believe a person who is level 21 should be put in a mission with someone who is level 42 who has double the amount of things they have, that is just completely unfair. They dont stand a chance of winning and in the beginning of the mission it states you will be put with people around your ranking.
    Obviously someone with 5 plots can grow more then someone with 3 plots etc, they need to think about that.
  • jaystarr2jaystarr2 Posts: 1,657
    edited 21.03.2013
    I agree. Right now I am in the corn mission against an opponent who has 11 fields. ELEVEN. There is no way in hell that my four fields will be able to compete with that.

    So yeah, apart from the gold/no gold distinction, there should also be a production ability distinction or something made. Or make it apparent who your opponents are before the mission.
  • Dolphin (AU1)Dolphin (AU1) AU1 Posts: 117
    edited 23.03.2013
    I think this is absolutely pathetic that you are putting cooperative team members in missions against each other 1 against 1. How is that fair. How is it fair that you are putting a level 10 player against a level 50 player in a mission. How can a level 10 player possibly WIN against a player with such a big farm. When cooperatives are trying to complete projects for the reputation points how are they suppose to do this when you are making it completely impossible for them to win any points. It states that you will put players with around equal levels, then why dont you do that. I care about the unfair level advantages and just putting 2 of the same cooperative members in a mission together and not putting anyone else with them. This needs to be looked into and fixed. Also somehow you should be able to find out how many people are in the mission you are on. If there is only 2 people then you should be able to withdraw or the mission not go ahead.
  • tinyandme (US1)tinyandme (US1) US1 Posts: 66
    edited 23.03.2013
    I went in to two mission just to lose to see if the amount of mission's would decrease from the list and it did not. So the tech support team lied to me. So they don't know what they are talking about. I was looking to get rid of the Mission icon off my task bar by losing all the mission's. I don't care about missions to me they SUCK!! The 2 mission did to there was 10 players and eight of us had zero that's right zero and at the end of all of it there was still 8 of us that had zero. For me being in 7th place i still got 6 xp points. So wtf is with that. I also can see that I am not the only one that thinks this way and by the way why would they have missions thru the mid night hours any way for me I have a job were 5 day's a week i have to go to work. or is there that many retired people playing this game. I play this game. Just to play and have fun. I can care less about winning soon my ex point will be down to zero and that's just fine with me. To the rest of you all out there. That don't give two rats ass about Mission's. Show your support lets all go to zero on Missions. That might show GGS that they fail in there mission and whey are so many at zero. Missions Suck and let the Gold players have there fun spending hard earn cash on Gold just to throw it away. This is just my 2 cent worth of venting here.
  • RlcorindiaUserRlcorindiaUser Posts: 5
    edited 23.03.2013
    I was wondering if reputation points at the lower rankings could be awarded at least some reputation points. Here is my thoughts. If you collect/sell/produce the level 1 minimum for the length of the mission, you should get at least 1RP. Say you are collecting corn. I think level 1, 1 field is 15 corn, and the length of the mission is 60 minutes. Corn grows every 5 minutes, so that is 12 collections. It takes some time to collect and resow, so you should be able to get 11 sowings and collections done. That would be 165 corn. If you collect at least 165 corn, you get 1RP. The RPs can be based on how much you put into the mission, not necessarily how well you rank. Like the mission says, the more you do, the more you will be rewarded. Is there any way that can be worked out. I work so hard, without gold, on the missions, then I end up in 5th or 6th place and get no RPs. I'm going to be one of those people in the 30 and 40 levels that have little RPs and going up against beginners trying to get RPs for the egg and chicken coop project. You should get at least a couple of RPs if you at least tried to do the mission.

    Also, those of us in on the American server cannot do missions when we are most likely to be online, between 1730 and 2200 our time. All of the missions start before 1730, and I don't know too many people my age who want to be up at 0100 just to play missons. The developers may get more people to play if they can play at times more comporable to their schedules.
  • RlcorindiaUserRlcorindiaUser Posts: 5
    edited 23.03.2013
    Hey guys, I was just looking through some of the other threads, and I saw one labeled, Suggestions brought to the developers attention. It looks like they are trying to work on the mission issue. Having been a computer programmer in an earlier life, I can tell you that fixing the problem will take a lot longer than you might think. They will want to take suggestions into account and make sure any bugs are taken care of before implementing the changes. This takes time!!! They aren't showing a time of completion, but they are working on it. Also, they are working on a lot of other projects. Please be patient with them!!! They have developed a really fun game, or so many of us wouldn't be playing it. Keep an eye out on the official announcement page and look for them to release a newer version of the missions. If you have new ideas, please post them. I'm sure they are keeping an eye out for ideas to help them make it better. I am also sure they have been reading this thread, since they have a link directly to it. From here on out, new ideas are best. If you were like me and didn't realize that there were 4 pages to this thread before responding, hopefully they will forgive you for that. Thanks for letting the developers work their magic!!!
  • Dolphin (AU1)Dolphin (AU1) AU1 Posts: 117
    edited 23.03.2013
    you may not be in a cooperative but when you are in a cooperative you have to do missions to complete projects and even if you have zero points you can still compete in missions. Also you can get free gold if you play every day.
    tinyandme wrote: »
    I went in to two mission just to lose to see if the amount of mission's would decrease from the list and it did not. So the tech support team lied to me. So they don't know what they are talking about. I was looking to get rid of the Mission icon off my task bar by losing all the mission's. I don't care about missions to me they SUCK!! The 2 mission did to there was 10 players and eight of us had zero that's right zero and at the end of all of it there was still 8 of us that had zero. For me being in 7th place i still got 6 xp points. So wtf is with that. I also can see that I am not the only one that thinks this way and by the way why would they have missions thru the mid night hours any way for me I have a job were 5 day's a week i have to go to work. or is there that many retired people playing this game. I play this game. Just to play and have fun. I can care less about winning soon my ex point will be down to zero and that's just fine with me. To the rest of you all out there. That don't give two rats ass about Mission's. Show your support lets all go to zero on Missions. That might show GGS that they fail in there mission and whey are so many at zero. Missions Suck and let the Gold players have there fun spending hard earn cash on Gold just to throw it away. This is just my 2 cent worth of venting here.
  • Kat Nip (GB1)Kat Nip (GB1) GB1 Posts: 3,796
    edited 24.03.2013
    Guys, this is just a friendly reminder that respect needs to be shown to everyone, including the behind the scenes crew of GGS. If you don't want your post removed, then please take the time to ensure that your point is made without anyone being disrespected in the process.

    Kat. Kittie_by_otomosc.gif
  • The New Farm2The New Farm2 Posts: 19
    edited 24.03.2013
    I am, as of this morning, at level 32 I had a very depressing mission this morning. 5 seconds into the mission I found myself up against the the number two ranking player in the game - who is a level 84. Level 84! Impressive player, impressive farm (I peeked) but as for me playing against this person - didn't stand a chance.

    As for using gold to skip to win - well I can not tell a lie. I did that yesterday-a real lot during one of two missions I did. Did I win? Yes. Problem was, winning didn't feel so great. I felt - well, terrible. Then I felt even worse when I looked and found that one of the challengers was a level 14. I remember level 14 it was tough.

    I know what you are thinking. What right do I have to complain how I was treated in a mission by a lvl 84 player when I did the very same thing to a level 14! My thoughts exactly! So the only mission I will do now is the willflower one. I can't imagine that the high level players would find collecting willflowers very challenging - and using gold to skip for something that takes two minutes to grow seems pointless. So I won't be on the receiving end - nor will I run the risk of getting so wrapped up in winning to stomp on a lower level player.
  • Rusty Farmer (AU1)Rusty Farmer (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,705
    edited 25.03.2013
    I wonder if, when matching people for missions, instead of trying to match by approximate level number, it should try to match based on amount and level of the particular things needed for the mission. eg: if it is corn, then it will match up players who can produce about the same amount of corn on their fields.

    As regards the gold things, rather than just an inclusive/exclusive thing, another approach could be to match the players who have approximately the same amount of gold in their account.
  • Martha25 (US1)Martha25 (US1) Posts: 1
    edited 25.03.2013
    I can see why some of you are frustrated with some of the missions. I am doing one now the "sell pigs". What a joke the top player has 50,000 some what pigs. I on the other hand only have 752. Gee guess who is NOT going to win. Oh well what little money I make will help buy something I guess. Will enjoy the game until I grow tired of it, just like the other farm games on Facebook. Have a great day farmers!! :)
  • orlygr (US1)orlygr (US1) Posts: 4
    edited 27.03.2013
    I think the key could lie in the methodical use of NPCs and proper placement. Non Player Characters could fill up the rosters of some future set limit. I mean, just for an example, suppose there's a maximum limit of 30 players, if only 10 players show up the rest would be NPCs. Just an idea.
  • JAYDEN6192JAYDEN6192 Posts: 5
    edited 27.03.2013
    I signed up for the 4 hour mission of chicken feed, in the hope that as the best, I would get a massive payout, heaps of Rep Points and Some Experience Points also...

    When I looked, there seemed to be quite a list of people competing...

    Yes when I clicked on to start, only I showed up... I refreshed and saw that throughout this whole 4 hour ordeal, I'm slogging my butt off to create chicken feed and for what:

    I (foolishly) assumed that the more I made, the higher my rewards would be... so for 4 HOURS I WENT HARD OUT !!! And for what??? It never changed...

    Instead of 4 hours, I could have made 2 bags of chicken feed and left it at that and I would have received the same rewards.

    That is not fair - moreso, how can these creators think that is at all FUN?!!!!!

    Total false advertising... where does it say ANYWHERE how rewards are calculated... or any of that information?

    If I had known, i would never have signed up for a 4 hour mission, for me to gain nothing but time wasted! I could have made just as much money by putting one bag of cow feed in the stable and coming back in the morning to sell it.

    I AM SO ANGRY!

    That is totally not fair - what can I do???

    Upset, Ripped off, Time Waster
    Sarah
  • Jorjapuss2Jorjapuss2 Posts: 4
    edited 28.03.2013
    I am currently participating in a 23 hour humus production mission. I am at level 31 going against people in levels 46 and up. Which means from the get go there is no chance I am going to win this mission and that I have lost my 130 RPs. The programmers do not need us to tell them how to rectify this. I have a level 2 compster and the other guys have level 3, where does that leave me? Unfair. I began playing this game because it was fun, now I don't know.
  • Rusty Farmer (AU1)Rusty Farmer (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,705
    edited 29.03.2013
    Missions in general are about nothing but bragging rights (with the notable exception of the co-op project with rep points required). There is no real advantage in having more rep than someone else.

    If having a certain number of rep points unlocked special decor or some such that might make some sense. Maybe it would help if rep was given some meaning or advantage such as this. Even a major quest to reach (say) 500 rep to give a good XP reward might give some motivation.
  • Jorjapuss2Jorjapuss2 Posts: 4
    edited 29.03.2013
    As if competing against people from higher levels than me in the humus production mission. I max my production to 4 which takes 10 hours. I got the first four and then when I repeat the procedure after 10 hours I only get 1 bag of humus. Instead of ending with 9 bags of humus I end up with 6. Really!!! I understand there are bugs and knicks to fix, but there have been other reports about those problems and they are still not fixed.
  • Caradain2Caradain2 Posts: 6
    edited 29.03.2013
    Still don't think there's any point in dividing gold/non-gold missions, or having missions with similar level players (the highest level one will still win if no gold allowed, and if gold allowed then biased as some can't afford gold).
    The MAIN point for me is that these missions are to INCREASE players' reputation points. Therefore, missions should be registered with dollars NOT rep points and EVERY player should be awarded SOME rep points depending on how well they did in relations to others in that mission. To me, this is the ONLY scenario that makes ANY sense. :)
  • JAYDEN6192JAYDEN6192 Posts: 5
    edited 01.04.2013
    I think reputation points should be allowed to be gifted in a co-op... so that if you have some RP's, and a co-op mission requires the points, then you can donate them, like you do collections items.
  • JAYDEN6192JAYDEN6192 Posts: 5
    edited 01.04.2013
    I agree to both your paragraphs RlcorindiaUser ... the timing is not the easiest for any of us - I am on NZ time, and some of the game times are ridiculous for me - typically the missions I would prefer to do the most, within a two day window doesn't suit me. Its a shame - I would be able to play more, and mission more if the times were spread out more - rather than sometimes a 7 hour gap before the next one...

    And I agree - yes it does say "compared to other players" in the details - but its not our fault when they stick us in a mission group where there are no other players, then you have no choice but to get stuff all !!!! That is so unfair. I might be fine if there is a comparison against, or a differing top prize amount depending on how many are playing, but at least make it clear before you click "yes compete in this mission!!!" SO badly strung together!!!!

    Another sad competitor.
    Fairness is my game, and I just don't think we are being treated equally...
    Too many rights for those up levels, and those who spend gold...
  • CaitlynJ2CaitlynJ2 Posts: 9
    edited 01.04.2013
    I love your attitude wendybird. My favorite missions are selling ones, you can really mess with their heads if you start with a full barn and sell a little at a time to make it seem like you are using gold, which encourages them to waste their money. I always laugh at them, and wonder why they don't just pay someone to play for them since they have no interest themselves. roflmao
  • BobFighter8342BobFighter8342 Posts: 21
    edited 04.04.2013
    I can use gold. I haven't bought any, and don't have much, and probably won't waste it on missions. But I can use gold.

    So, with the first option on the poll, you want to divide it into 2 types of people: those with 0 gold and those with 1+? Because if that's true, no offense, it's a very bad idea.

    As for fixing the formula used to determine who gets matched up with who in regards to level/reputation points, that does need fixing.
  • Latten (DE1)Latten (DE1) Posts: 6,246
    edited 04.04.2013
    It really does need fixing, and it's already on our to-do list. We're currently investigating the missions, to see what goes wrong when it goes wrong, and to see what works. It might just need a little change, like exchanging the priorities of a) the XP requirements and b) the RP requirements, but it may very well be a major flaw deep in the mechanics that causes the missions to behave like they currently do sometimes.

    Also, you always have to count in your point of view: If you check one mission as a whole (meaning: Every player worldwide who participates in one mission, every batch of participants worldwide in one mission, etc) the majority should have (!) little to no problems at all. The scale is very important here, if you're thinking "about a million users per mission" you might be on the right track, so while 200 people who have problems seem like a huge number for those actually affected by it, it's a very small number in the big picture.
    For those who actually have problems, it's of course annoying, and we (that is, the dev team, in this case) know that and want to change it.
    Please be assured that we are constantly working on it, and it will be addressed. I just can't say when exactly this will happen right now.
  • fro3fro3 Posts: 42
    edited 10.04.2013
    In the meantime, since you admit you know it's a problem- why don't you remove the requirement for co ops to do missions for the chicken or the egg project? It is completely unfair that I am currently in a mission with people who are levels 74 and 73 when I am a 43. It is impossible for me to even make it worth the reputation points that I staked to enter the mission. In my experience, this is not an occasional problem as you are trying to make it sound. This happens on EVERY SINGLE mission. If I am against players of my own rank and they have more fields or more gold then me, then that is my problem- I should have built more fields or bought more gold (which I do), but if you aren't grouping us fairly then that is your problem. There is nothing fun about missions and this is supposed to be a game. They are more like torture! Please remove them as a requirement for the co op project until you get it fixed!
  • slucasluca Posts: 14
    edited 13.04.2013
    I don't know if this has been mentioned before but it's been twice now that I was in a mission with only one other person and once I was even all alone! It really sucks to give 110 reputation points and then win less because there were only two of us and I was second. On top of that, at the end of the mission I get a message: "Sorry, it didn't go to well this time". Something like that. Well, actually it went very well, I was second ...
  • Rusty Farmer (AU1)Rusty Farmer (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,705
    edited 19.04.2013
    ...yes, but you were also LAST! :D
  • Farmer_John (US1)Farmer_John (US1) Posts: 47
    edited 20.04.2013
    I was just on a mission, and while on it, went to a competitors farm. There is no way in heck this mission is balanced. Please put all the gold people together and let them duke it out. It's like putting a ringer into the game. It does nobody else any good. Fair Competition, PLEASE.
  • jaystarr2jaystarr2 Posts: 1,657
    edited 22.04.2013
    I'm currently doing the egg mission and I'm in dead last, and the #1 person has been golding like a crazy person and has 4,000 eggs ahead of the #2 person (and they have 7,000 eggs more than me). This system is so laughably broken that I'm tempted to message the #1 person and tell them to stop wasting their money, nobody is going to catch them now... :P

    On a serious note, I don't think that a strict gold/non-gold category is going to be sufficient to fix this problem. If I buy $3 of gold once, why should I be remotely able to compete against someone who buys $60 gold a month? I think a proper balance would have to consider not just gold/non-gold, but also things like gold buying frequency, level, production capacity and so on.

    Update: as I was writing this #1 person now produced 2,000 more eggs so now they have 10x more eggs than I do. Yep, laughably broken.
  • Rusty Farmer (AU1)Rusty Farmer (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,705
    edited 23.04.2013
    Just a suggestion: In our co-op, some members have taken the initiative to contact those they are up against during missions via PMs and have managed to negotiate deals so that gold spending doesn't get out of hand. In other words:
    TRY DIPLOMACY
  • CaitlynJ2CaitlynJ2 Posts: 9
    edited 24.04.2013
    I once sent a message to someone using gold in a mission when the other 9 weren't. She was so far ahead it was ridiculous but with 5 minutes to go she was going full steam still. I told her that she could stop now, no one else was going to catch her." I don't think she liked it because she never responded. Ha ha
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