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CM_HunterCM_Hunter Community Manager Posts: 409
edited 03.12.2018 in The Drawing Board



Hello farmers,

Over the past few days we have received a lot of feedback on the rework of the acrobatic kite and its return to the game in coming weeks, and we appreciate all your feedback and comments in regard to this topic.

Your concerns and thoughts are important to us and our development team is always eager to discuss recent feedback on upcoming changes. This being said, building a fair play environment and taking care of well-adjusted balancing is a hot topic for us.

The kites were purchased with the expectation that they would cause a bonus to reputation points gained, and that has been the case since its release. We have now decided to change the bonus to limit it and bring the item back on sale. The change is necessary in order to retain the item in the game; as we did not react to the issue directly after the release of the kites, which was an error on our part, the topic has become one that is difficult to resolve for everyone at the same time but we feel the solution we have come up with is a fair way to resolve the issue with kites for the maximum number of people. Now the item will be better balanced for the long term, limited to avoid any unfairness to those who do not have extremely large amounts and will be put back on sale to make to available for all again. Players will receive the new kite if they already have one and additional kites will be converted into an increased bonus for the kite.

We are unable to provide compensation in the form of WWC coins, for which the kites were purchased, as this causes inflation in prices and deflation in the value of the currency, which would affect all players. The kite boost has been available to many for over one year while others have not been able to benefit and we would like to offer this benefit to all players, but this time in a way that does not cause an imbalance in one of our biggest events.


One point we have been able to confirm is that those who already have a kite will still gain the 50% bonus it originally offered. If you own a kite already, this one will be converted into a 50% kite, with more kites providing an additional 1% bonus to that rate. Newly purchased kites after they go on sale will feature a 25% base rate but existing kite owners will have an initial boost, while the overall bonus cap still remains at 100% for all players.


Please also remember, the kites were initially added to the game by the game team, feedback in regard to the kites should be directed towards us rather then your fellow players whether they purchased and used kites or not. We understand the use of the kites has been a big topic for many in the past but we are now moving forward into using a new system for the kites.


Best regards,

Your BF Team

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  • edited 26.11.2018
    I personally like this as my kite will be unaffected, but it still is not good for those that bought more than 1 kite.

    I find the bit about lack of a compensation to be a smack in the face of people that have half a mind. The WWC coins will have the same value and can be used by all who paid for them (in one way or another) to use them on rewards that they know the value of.

    Maybe those with more than 1 should get a new one with the 25% plus 1% for all extras. Much closer to being kind to those people.

    If I remember correctly the word was WWC coins wouldn't be for sale, but within a week of that first run they were offered straight up for gold. 
    Post edited by William Robert (US1) on
    william robert @ WWW 1
  • Nothing will happen 
    Now if u want to cry as much as u want 
    They already decided so it dosent matter if u say its not fair not good like that 
    I do believe the team is taking some measure that will disturbs the environment once again people will leave. and once again the company give something new after some time and then they say it was faulty and blah blah blah then they set the blame to players and finish that product with saying inflation with deflation et
  • Since these "new" versions of the kites are greatly reduced in the reputation values (i.e. no more 50% boosts and were obtained with approximately 12,000 WWC coins), then will this new version rated at 25% be obtained for approximately 6000 WWC coins?  This sounds fair to me.  
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  • Southern (US1)Southern (US1) Posts: 2,372
    CM_Hunter said:
    One point we have been able to confirm is that those who already have a kite will still gain the 50% bonus it originally offered. If you own a kite already, this one will be converted into a 50% kite, with more kites providing and additional 1% bonus to that rate. Newly purchased kites after they go on sale will feature a 25% base rate but existing kite owners will have an initial boost, while the overall bonus cap still remains at 100% for all players.

    So just to confirm, this is a change from the original announcement, where the existing flags were going to be converted into the new 25% flag, with additional flags providing (the same) 1% boost?



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  • I don't get it.  Please forgive me.  Can someone answer this?

    If a person bought 3 kites that give +50 percent RP each, from the WW trader, how will they work after this change?  (currently +150 percent RP)

    If a person bought 7 kites that give +50 percent RP, then what?  (currently +350 percent RP)

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  • Michiru (GB1)Michiru (GB1) Posts: 1,203
    edited 27.11.2018
    I don't get it.  Please forgive me.  Can someone answer this?

    If a person bought 3 kites that give +50 percent RP each, from the WW trader, how will they work after this change?  (currently +150 percent RP)
    The way I understand it....
    Old kites: first remains 50%, the others are +1%. So with Three kites => 50+1+1 = 52% RP
    If a person bought 7 kites that give +50 percent RP, then what?  (currently +350 percent RP)
    50%+ 6x1% = 56%

    The max is 100%. So even if you did buy more than 51 kites, the RP increase stops at 100%

  • WiseWingWiseWing Moderator, ModGreen Posts: 23
    Why is there is no discussion link to the new thread on kites?  Are we not supposed to discuss it?

    ....
    The information about kites was posted under "Drawing board section" as it is still not "official". The discussion is therefore also taking place here, in the "Drawing board" section and you are of course welcome to discuss it.
  • edited 27.11.2018
    Why is there is no discussion link to the new thread on kites?  Are we not supposed to discuss it?

    Example...a person has 3 kites that supposedly provide +50 percent RP bonus right now.  What happens to this player if he/she does nothing?



    Here is a quote from the thread : "We are unable to provide compensation in the form of WWC coins, for which the kites were purchased, as this causes inflation in prices and deflation in the value of the currency, which would affect all players."  Let me be clear, when you return a product to the store and get your money back, this DOES NOT cause inflation.  I understand your fear of inflating things within the game, but the scenario that you describe IS NOT inflationary.  Refunds are not inflationary.

    Umm, is this not the latest thread about kites? I haven't seen a discussion link unless the post is closed for comments.
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  • CM_HunterCM_Hunter Community Manager Posts: 409
     I will never have the chance to buy a 50 percent kite
    Correct, but since the cap is at 100% it means you can reach the exact same limits as everyone else, and since you never owned a kite previously then you will not be affected by any of the changes until you buy a new one, and therefore the extra bonus isn't designed for you or players in your situation.

  • @CM_Hunter

    I just read thoroughly the latest version on the kite

    and honestly, That seems like a REALLY REALLY great solution for everyone :)

    For the reference, I had the old kite ( 50% , one ) and i did'nt even mind it being downed to 25% =)

    But keeping old ones at 50% and making new ones at 25% seems very rightful and respectful for everyone <3
  • CM_HunterCM_Hunter Community Manager Posts: 409
    How ridiculous!  So someone like me, who doesn't own any of these kites, is supposed to compete with someone that has 3, 4 or even 5 - knowing full well that no matter how hard or well I play I'll never be able to obtain a kite that offers the same benefits
    This was the problem before the changes. Now there is a cap on the bonus, so every player can reach a maximum level for the kites. This is exactly the issue caused by the original introduction of kites with no limit to the amount or the bonus you could receive which we have now resolved with the changes made.

    You introduced the kites, then took them away before a heck of a lot of players were able to get them.  Then you decide its a good idea to bring them back but with lesser benefits.  How about providing a level playing field for once - allowing everyone the opportunity to own a kite with the same benefits?  
    We introduced an exploitable flaw that we never should have with the kites, removed them before it became the huge problem it was set to become by unbalancing the CC massively, and we have now re-introduced the items with the flaws removed from them.

    see the handbooks as another example
    We also resolved this issue recently by improving the handbooks in our latest update. The feedback we have so far is that the levels are in most cases equal or better than they were before the booster order changes. If you have some different feedback on that topic let us know but I would see this more as an example of players providing feedback they weren't happy about a change and then the team responding by making what seems to have been a positive additional change to resolve it.

    If the issue is keeping the game fair and balanced, stop selling gold. Then it will be fair...and yes, I buy gold. I would have bought several kites if I could have.
    We couldn't make the game anymore if we didn't sell anything, this would make the game more fair in that it wouldn't be playable by anyone and so everyone would be on the same footing. Even if the request was 'start selling other things' it's not so simple to take a 6 year old game and completely change the business model we use for it. This would basically mean creating an entirely new game, with new mechanics and goals. We have no plans to shut Big Farm down so this wouldn't be an option and could in fact do a great deal of damage.

    @CM_Hunter

    I just read thoroughly the latest version on the kite

    and honestly, That seems like a REALLY REALLY great solution for everyone :)

    For the reference, I had the old kite ( 50% , one ) and i did'nt even mind it being downed to 25% =)

    But keeping old ones at 50% and making new ones at 25% seems very rightful and respectful for everyone <3
    Thank you, glad you agree! I know not everyone is quite so happy at the moment but we really feel this is the most fair way to handle the situation. If I had a time machine I would certainly use it to make sure these kites never got added as they have been a headache for a long time now. But that not being possible yet (come on science, I'm waiting!) we came up with what we think resolves the issues with the kites, provides a cap that wasn't there before and gives everyone the opportunity for an equal boost in the CC by putting them back on sale and providing a maximum limit for all players.

    Now please kindly explain what will be done with the balance of Gold/WWC coins that players gave to GGS in good faith that they would have something to show for their money, meaning the items that were purchased.
    As we have mentioned, there is no compensation planned beyond what we have stated. The WWC coins players used to buy kites originally won't be returned because they will get the new kites. I understand you have some strong feelings about this but we covered this on our statement and don't have any further information to give on that subject. The process outlined so far is how we intend to perform the exchange and nothing has changed except what was mentioned. 

  • ijrosh (US1)ijrosh (US1) Posts: 513
    edited 28.11.2018
    CM_Hunter said:
    How ridiculous!  So someone like me, who doesn't own any of these kites, is supposed to compete with someone that has 3, 4 or even 5 - knowing full well that no matter how hard or well I play I'll never be able to obtain a kite that offers the same benefits
    This was the problem before the changes. Now there is a cap on the bonus, so every player can reach a maximum level for the kites. This is exactly the issue caused by the original introduction of kites with no limit to the amount or the bonus you could receive which we have now resolved with the changes made.

    You introduced the kites, then took them away before a heck of a lot of players were able to get them.  Then you decide its a good idea to bring them back but with lesser benefits.  How about providing a level playing field for once - allowing everyone the opportunity to own a kite with the same benefits?  
    We introduced an exploitable flaw that we never should have with the kites, removed them before it became the huge problem it was set to become by unbalancing the CC massively, and we have now re-introduced the items with the flaws removed from them.

    see the handbooks as another example
    We also resolved this issue recently by improving the handbooks in our latest update. The feedback we have so far is that the levels are in most cases equal or better than they were before the booster order changes. If you have some different feedback on that topic let us know but I would see this more as an example of players providing feedback they weren't happy about a change and then the team responding by making what seems to have been a positive additional change to resolve it.

    If the issue is keeping the game fair and balanced, stop selling gold. Then it will be fair...and yes, I buy gold. I would have bought several kites if I could have.
    We couldn't make the game anymore if we didn't sell anything, this would make the game more fair in that it wouldn't be playable by anyone and so everyone would be on the same footing. Even if the request was 'start selling other things' it's not so simple to take a 6 year old game and completely change the business model we use for it. This would basically mean creating an entirely new game, with new mechanics and goals. We have no plans to shut Big Farm down so this wouldn't be an option and could in fact do a great deal of damage.

    @CM_Hunter

    I just read thoroughly the latest version on the kite

    and honestly, That seems like a REALLY REALLY great solution for everyone :)

    For the reference, I had the old kite ( 50% , one ) and i did'nt even mind it being downed to 25% =)

    But keeping old ones at 50% and making new ones at 25% seems very rightful and respectful for everyone <3
    Thank you, glad you agree! I know not everyone is quite so happy at the moment but we really feel this is the most fair way to handle the situation. If I had a time machine I would certainly use it to make sure these kites never got added as they have been a headache for a long time now. But that not being possible yet (come on science, I'm waiting!) we came up with what we think resolves the issues with the kites, provides a cap that wasn't there before and gives everyone the opportunity for an equal boost in the CC by putting them back on sale and providing a maximum limit for all players.

    Now please kindly explain what will be done with the balance of Gold/WWC coins that players gave to GGS in good faith that they would have something to show for their money, meaning the items that were purchased.
    As we have mentioned, there is no compensation planned beyond what we have stated. The WWC coins players used to buy kites originally won't be returned because they will get the new kites. I understand you have some strong feelings about this but we covered this on our statement and don't have any further information to give on that subject. The process outlined so far is how we intend to perform the exchange and nothing has changed except what was mentioned. 
    I am sorry but are you saying a 1 percent kite should and is going to cost the same amount as a 50 percent kite because people agreed and spent the money on a 50 percent kite not on a 1 percent kite and of course I am talking about any kite someone has over 1 and also I am asking for the new kites ate the 1 percent kites going to cost the same as a 25 percent kite
    ijrosh @ us 1
  • I do appreciate your reply Hunter, but how is it fair on players that don't have the kites already?  We cant compete with players that have them offering the 50% benefit.  Yes I know we can get them with 25% benefit, but thats like being told to run in a race with one training shoe, or a 4-man relay race with 2 people.  

    Why deliberately punish those who dont already have the kites?  

    Not a nice way to treat your customers - and being honest thats why you have a lot of ex-customers and that will get more and more and more as players wont tolerate GGS unfairness.  
  • I really do think players should re visit the terms and conditions page of the game 


    All the answers to the questions of stealing and of game changes are all in the print 
    darren24 @ en 1
  • Balance?  LOL

    As has been stated before, the only fair way to do the kites is to remove them all, repay in gold those that had purchased them originally and start fresh with the new kites.

    GG's current proposal is unfair to those that already purchased kites AND unfair to those that can no longer even get a 50% kite. 

    edited to add:
    I dont understand GG's refusal time and again to just do the right thing. The players that bought kites in good faith are their bread and butter, the big gold buyers. It only makes sense to repay them if they expect them to continue buying gold.
    Absolutely spot on.  
  • come on ggs, do the fair, honourable thing (can it still be honourable?) and nice thing and give back A) money (real money)  compensation, since you won't do thatat least give back most of the gold/wwc coins used to buy the kites. I get it ggs, you need you're pay check and guess who's paying your pay check? US, and since you're gold sales are going down (maybe because everybody's starting to hate the game) you have to take back what people paid real money for in the hopes that they'll start buying gold again to be the best. All very nice except no body's going to be playing the game, so nobody can be the "best". Everybodies chomping at the bit the buy the subscription packages but they don't trust you anymore. if you give back the gold/don't take away the kites value your'll get more money for subscription packages and gold, everybody's waiting to buy after you do the right thing. And don't make the excuse "unbalancing",  the games has always been unbalanced, the people that pay money always win.
       
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