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Gold needs to be "balanced" or eliminated

GGS states, "this possibility appeared to be making your game progression too fast, thus damaging the rewarding feeling we expected"

When earning farm cash from the Dockyard a process is involved.  First one must upgrade the dockyard but only after all of Oleg's 26 tasks have been completed. Second one must buy boats.  However, it is also necessary to have the cash needed to buy and upgrade boats and the dockyard so some farming may also need to be done in order to make the needed cash. Once everything is set up and we then have a small fleet of boats we must spend time equipping these boats, deciding what is the best gear to use on any specific boat. We send our boats to a fishing hole. We must then wait for the boats to come back, of course the farther the hole, the longer we must wait. When the boats come back we must then go and collect our fish. Finally, after collecting our fish we must then go and sell them. Then the process repeats itself but we have a "rewarding feeling".

Gold use:  A couple clicks here and there and BAM, instantaneous results.  THAT is what I consider "game progression too fast".  Therefore, I do believe you MUST remove the ability to buy farm cash with gold and also the ability to upgrade ANYTHING with gold as well as the ability to fast forward the progression of buildings.  Gold allows for the progression to be TOO fast.  How are the players supposed get the "rewarding feeling" if something can be done quicker than even the dockyard would allow?  

I think eliminating the ability to upgrade buildings, buy farm cash, and fast forward building times with gold should be a top priority for GGS so they will not damage a player's "rewarding feeling".


Comments

  • Damaria3 (US1)Damaria3 (US1) US1 Posts: 1,737
    Yeah Shay  i hear ya and get the message --  I would like a rebalance that could include a monthly subscription and get away from all this GOLD grab for everything but that may be a dream also 
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    Yeah Shay  i hear ya and get the message --  I would like a rebalance that could include a monthly subscription and get away from all this GOLD grab for everything but that may be a dream also 
    I do not believe a monthly subscription is the solution.  Many have started playing this game because it is offered as a FREE online game.  There are people that simply cannot afford a monthly subscription, even if it was just $9.95 a month.  Some people live on a fixed income and that $9.95 could be a few meals for them. 

    They broke something that did not need fixing, it may have needed a few adjustments, but nothing near as dramatic as the changes they have made.

    They have also broke peoples trust, coming like a thief in the night stealing away player's sell buttons without any IN GAME notice.  The fish that players are stuck with are now worth a fraction of the price and must be laundered through a "new deep sea market".  For some (like myself), ALL of their cash is now tied up in inventory or in a dockyard and fleet of boats and are worse off than before the introduction of the dockyard. 

    Had I been given the opportunity to sell off my inventory, I could have been open minded to the new changes.  I have already suffered a severe loss and now they want me to suffer an even bigger loss by accepting brushes, rakes, and karma balls for my dockyard investments.  
  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    Excellent suggestion @Shay1968 (US1)! That has been one of my major issues with this game. Where is any strategy and satisfaction from progress when everything can be done instantly just using your credit card, no strategy. Just mindless clicking, no more. Since we now know how passionate GGS is to make sure we have that "rewarding feeling" I'm sure this suggestion will be implemented quickly with even more enthusiasm then DSF rebalance, cause as you correctly say this golding disbalance is far more dangerous to our "rewarding feelings" then DSF could ever be even if it had twice as many ships. :)
  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617
    A subscription format looks good on paper, but I doubt if it would generate the money GGS needs to keep BF going.  And as Shay pointed out, there are probably many who don't have the means for a subscription.  Non gold buyers don't add anything in terms of direct cash flow, but they do bring a lot of vitality to the game which makes it more enjoyable for everybody.

    The company has designed its games around the gold-buying habits of its largest players -- a subscription game probably would never be considered.  Still, pigs may fly, so who knows?
  • Kamilcom (GB1)Kamilcom (GB1) Posts: 1,499
    @artful (US1) Only this is not about what GGS "needs", but what they "want". Other companies can run their games in ethical way and stay on the market for many long years having many long term players and faithful suporters.. "Want" is so much bigger then actual real "need".
  • You do know that gold buying players keep the servers running?

    And as pointed out by some, lots of people play because its free, but keep the game running isnt.

    And if you gonna give people less value for their gold, they might actually stop buying which ends in....

    I'd say be happy with them...makes you able to play this game for free

    (is not a gold buying player, but knows they are needed to keep the game going)
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    You do know that gold buying players keep the servers running?

    And as pointed out by some, lots of people play because its free, but keep the game running isnt.

    And if you gonna give people less value for their gold, they might actually stop buying which ends in....

    I'd say be happy with them...makes you able to play this game for free

    (is not a gold buying player, but knows they are needed to keep the game going)
    WOW  @Caradryan (NL1)
    You are really missing the point (SMH)
  • maxiroy (US1)maxiroy (US1) US1 Posts: 436
    Eliminating gold use to upgrade your builds, buy farm cash and fast forward in the game is NEVER going to happen.

    That is how these games work.  Any other game I have played, you can skip and get ahead if you use your real money.  Because if you are going to spend your real money on a game you get advantages and the ability to speed ahead.  It's just the way these games work.  Because spending real money gives you instant results because lots of players want instant gratification.  

    GGS is not the only company that does this.  They all do.  There will never be an even playing field between those that want to play for free and those that spend money.  Of course these games want you to progress at a slower pace if you don't spend money.  There is no point of anyone spending money on these games if you don't get advantages and can get ahead faster if a person chooses to. That is the whole point of spending money to speed things up.  

    Are these companies taking advantage by enticing people?  You bet they are, but they are not forcing people to spend their money, people are choosing to because they have no patience.  And I can totally admit that at times I have none and I have bought and used gold to speed things up. 

    And yes I see the irony in telling everyone they nerfed the selling of fish due to people progressing to quickly, and then letting you speed things up with gold.   The reality is that no one is going to spend money on a game if  everyone is progressing at the same rate and the person spending the money has no advantages.  Not saying it is right, it is just the way it is.
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    edited 21.08.2017
    @maxiroy (US1)

    You miss the entire point here.

    I am merely pointing out that GGS has given us an extremely lame excuse for nerffing the fishing.

    They should have been completely straight forward and stated the truth which would have been something on the lines of ...
    'We know a lot of people have spent gold and put a lot of time into the dockyard and we are sorry but we feel you are making too much farm cash in the game and we are afraid this will cut gold sales especially long term  that we have been trying so hard to increase with all the HWEs and coop challenges and selling points for the WCC and other events and therefore are totally massacring the dockyard and stealing your sell buttons, we are also adding a fish market to try and re-coop some of the cash that is now floating around out there, we will give you a few brushes and rakes for your efforts for continued use of the deepsea. Don't worry, you will get over this once we screw up the next update.  Good luck trying to upgrade your labs now!'
  • Jiesta (NL1)Jiesta (NL1) Posts: 6,557
    edited 21.08.2017
    You do know that gold buying players keep the servers running?

    And as pointed out by some, lots of people play because its free, but keep the game running isnt.

    And if you gonna give people less value for their gold, they might actually stop buying which ends in....

    I'd say be happy with them...makes you able to play this game for free

    (is not a gold buying player, but knows they are needed to keep the game going)
    Eliminating gold use to upgrade your builds, buy farm cash and fast forward in the game is NEVER going to happen.

    That is how these games work.  Any other game I have played, you can skip and get ahead if you use your real money.  Because if you are going to spend your real money on a game you get advantages and the ability to speed ahead.  It's just the way these games work.  Because spending real money gives you instant results because lots of players want instant gratification.  

    GGS is not the only company that does this.  They all do.  There will never be an even playing field between those that want to play for free and those that spend money.  Of course these games want you to progress at a slower pace if you don't spend money.  There is no point of anyone spending money on these games if you don't get advantages and can get ahead faster if a person chooses to. That is the whole point of spending money to speed things up.  

    Are these companies taking advantage by enticing people?  You bet they are, but they are not forcing people to spend their money, people are choosing to because they have no patience.  And I can totally admit that at times I have none and I have bought and used gold to speed things up. 

    And yes I see the irony in telling everyone they nerfed the selling of fish due to people progressing to quickly, and then letting you speed things up with gold.   The reality is that no one is going to spend money on a game if  everyone is progressing at the same rate and the person spending the money has no advantages.  Not saying it is right, it is just the way it is.


    Exactly! Very well said both of you :+1: .... Gold buyers/users keep this game going, and non-gold-buyers/users keep this game balanced. That's how "free to play" games work.
    These adjustments were totally foreseeable - and for the people who didn't see this coming, the 'Racing Farmer' warned us 14 days before the update that the DSF would be altered. 


  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    "the 'Racing Farmer' warned us 14 days before the update that the DSF would be altered"

    altered 
    .... not drastically changed or the inability to even sell fish.

    However, the actual statement from the Racing Farmer was
    "We will have to do some adjustments to the Deepsea fishing area – a new market, specifically for it, is on the way where you will be able to trade fish and dishes for special items as well as dollars."

    Nowhere does this imply they would be removing the sell button.  When I read this, I see it as them making space for a new market.  I do not see it as them removing the sell button.  I don't know how anybody could possibly get  'we are taking away your sell buttons' from the Racing Farmer's statement.  To me it just looked like another update to add a fish market.  I figured they would simply change around the dock area and make adjustments to it to fit a new market.  I read through the forum and I see specific questions being asked about the fish prices and such and GGS outright refused to answer any of those questions.  How can it possibly be said that we should have seen this coming???   With the high costs of the labs, the academy, and Lester's secret stash, as well as a new island coming I thought that the new deepsea fishing was EXACTLY what we needed.  

  • artful (US1)artful (US1) US1 Posts: 6,617
    "the 'Racing Farmer' warned us 14 days before the update that the DSF would be altered"

    altered 
    .... not drastically changed or the inability to even sell fish.

    However, the actual statement from the Racing Farmer was
    "We will have to do some adjustments to the Deepsea fishing area – a new market, specifically for it, is on the way where you will be able to trade fish and dishes for special items as well as dollars."

    Nowhere does this imply they would be removing the sell button.  When I read this, I see it as them making space for a new market.  I do not see it as them removing the sell button.  I don't know how anybody could possibly get  'we are taking away your sell buttons' from the Racing Farmer's statement.  To me it just looked like another update to add a fish market.  I figured they would simply change around the dock area and make adjustments to it to fit a new market.  I read through the forum and I see specific questions being asked about the fish prices and such and GGS outright refused to answer any of those questions.  How can it possibly be said that we should have seen this coming???   With the high costs of the labs, the academy, and Lester's secret stash, as well as a new island coming I thought that the new deepsea fishing was EXACTLY what we needed.  

    And that's exactly why I immediately posted "in GGS speak, 'adjustment' never means anything good."  LOL!  

    However, I don't think any of us expected anything of such huge magnitude. *sighing*

  • I have only been playing this game for about 3 months now and I'm at the level that I am because of a combination of gold and farm cash.  Because I'm a player who can't play the game every day (due to other priorities), I don't mind speeding up production to get buildings upgraded, especially if I take part in a reward mission and I need that building or field to produce/grow what I need to finish the mission.  Progression too fast, for me anyway, tells me that I've accomplished something in a time frame that I decide to place.  Now, I will wait till the building upgrade without gold if I have other things to do and by the time I come back, it is done.  Each individual is different.  This is one of a few games I've played almost everyday since I've started and I've learned a lot and still have more to learn.  My "rewarding feeling" happens if I wait till it's finished, or I use gold to finish it faster.  As far as I'm concerned, getting it done IS the rewarding feeling.

    Harketti
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