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New deep sea fishing system Price&Cost Chart (Need some Feedback&Help too)

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  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    "FAQ: What's the point Dude?! Burn it all!"   Can I light the match  ..... PLEASE
  • Jiesta (NL1)Jiesta (NL1) Posts: 6,557
    edited 17.08.2017
    "FAQ: What's the point Dude?! Burn it all!"   Can I light the match  ..... PLEASE

    Again: can we PLEASE keep this attempt to build up a thread on a new tutorial/guide/spreadsheet POSITIVE ? It was asked before here above! There is no need at all to ruin other's serious attempts to bring a positive note on this new DSF, and thus ruin the purpose of this very thread and the OP.

    You can vent all your negativity/complaints/disappointment in the Discussion Thread as you already did in volumes, Shay ~~~ and we respect the fact that you and others are very disappointed and like to get very vocal in doing so!
    But please, can you then also respect the fact that there are players who like to rise above the loss of this hysterical-quick-millions-making-party (of which it was obvious and thus we all could have known it would'n last forever) and try to find the best measures/best way of playing this new DSF feature?

    Pretty please?smileys Smileys en emoticons Engel Thank you! 
  • Surya54 (INT1)Surya54 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 507
    Got Clam and Ordinary chum in my contract (1 chum equals $4219.52, needs clarification)

  • Thanks everyone for the continuous help & feedback, Updated Shrimp and Chum price now, and confirmed the Salmon too.
    Only Herring price is missing from fish list now, and still many chum type prices are missing too though.
  • garybaldy (GB1)garybaldy (GB1) GB1 Posts: 502
    All the new prices work out to be 39.4% of the old values , except for salmon which seems to be 53.7 %
  • All the new prices work out to be 39.4% of the old values , except for salmon which seems to be 53.7 %
    Salmon is ~39.4% too:

    14766/37500 = ~39% too

    it is almost like GGS nerfed all ~60% yes.
  • garybaldy (GB1)garybaldy (GB1) GB1 Posts: 502
    oops! schoolboy error in my arithmetic lol. 
    Travel times are up about  30 % , if the number of Karmas and charms stay about the same as the quality of  the contracts improve, still be money to be made, except I have yet to see any swordfish or lobster pools since this update .

  • Gamester (US1)Gamester (US1) US1 Posts: 100
    edited 17.08.2017
    Don't know if you need this chum or not but here it is.  Thanks everyone for your hard work on these calculations!!

    Post edited by Gamester (US1) on
  • Ariel Hsu (INT1)Ariel Hsu (INT1) Posts: 44
    edited 17.08.2017

    CHEATING/ROBBING/STEALING MARKET




  • CHEATING/ROBBING/STEALING MARKET




    where did you get these? test server? clam's price is not the same old price
  • Surya54 (INT1)Surya54 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 507
    Latest update from mods say it work as intended, so we do nothing but to maximize the profit from DSF Market. Sorry about that

    Hello everyone,

    Despite some comments to the opposite effect we here at GGS have been looking through your feedback and our wonderful mod team has been tirelessly bringing your thoughts and feedback to our attention. We have additionally been keeping track of the discussions that have been going on surrounding this recent update and though we know some of you have been disillusioned we do take your feedback on board and it is very important to us that we know what you think about the game.

    It is correct that the current implementation of Deep Sea Fishing will not be altered at this stage and we feel perhaps it was not sufficiently explained as to why there has been such a reduction in terms of direct Farm Dollar rewards. The amount of dollar rewards available as a temporary effect was not an issue but if this were continuous it would have had a negative effect on your game and your enjoyment of it (though we know this can be hard to see in the short term). While it was very nice to have the currency you needed to expand your farms and upgrade buildings at a fast rate this would in time have destroyed any long-term challenge. Many features of the game are not designed to be unlocked straight away but built up over time; imagine a puzzle game where all the solutions are pre-filled for you, a gem matching game where all levels are complete with minimal effort. While it is very challenging and takes a long time to reach certain features this is all part of the challenge and flow of a game, and continuing to provide dollars in the amounts they were available would destroy the in-game economy and the game flow over time. We want you to enjoy the game of course but in the long-term the fishing as it was previously would have caused far more damage than good over long periods.

    Some of you were able to see this was the case as evidenced by some of your comments but are unhappy about not being able to sell your fish. There is no ability to sell fish directly and this feature will not return to the game but there are many other suggestions and pieces of feedback that we are discussing which could serve to alleviate many of the issues you have brought up. One example of this is the current rewards you are seeing for the contracts, these are being analysed and discussed and may be altered if it is deemed necessary. They will not be on the same level as you were previously getting for selling your fish, at least in terms of the direct dollar amounts received, but there are discussions ongoing about the kinds of feedback we can implement to alleviate some of your concerns and bring you features that are a combination of challenge and fun.

    Here is an example of what some contracts look like with a maxed out market. Please keep in mind there are different possibilities and rewards as well.


    We would also like to apologise for the community team’s lack of response up until now, the moderators have received many comments directly and these really should have been directed towards us and not them. They have been doing a fantastic job of trying to keep up-to-date with all your comments and we ask that you understand in many cases they share your opinions and feelings but still have a duty to maintain the rules and procedures of the forums. Patch notes that are posted by the moderators are not written by them directly so please bear this in mind, their job is to help you all where they can and where they cannot they provide us with your feedback so it can be looked at.

    Best Regards,
    Your Community Team
  • Ariel Hsu (INT1)Ariel Hsu (INT1) Posts: 44
    edited 17.08.2017

    CHEATING/ROBBING/STEALING MARKET




    where did you get these? test server? clam's price is not the same old price
    @rxn.

    Yes, you're right. I remember it's 3k+. 

    What's the price?

    They were my screen shut at Jun. 8, 2017. which mean they'd up clam's price after the day. I hope the rest of others  were still correct. 

  • JustMe (US1)JustMe (US1) US1 Posts: 491
    presumably won't prices of individual fish be affected by the individual's level or since GGS likes combos orders and rewards and not calculating them the same a solo item's price will be different than a combo order or combo reward?
  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 17.08.2017
    presumably won't prices of individual fish be affected by the individual's level or since GGS likes combos orders and rewards and not calculating them the same a solo item's price will be different than a combo order or combo reward?
    so far whether in 1 item contract, or 2 item contract, the prices listed in first post seem still applicable without change and regardless of level of players.
    But we still lack info, like price of "seeds" as GGS have shown them in the new post, or price of "Gold", or price of "Brush" or "Rake" or "Token".
    Once we can gather all data about price of all of these non-dollar prizes, then it can become much easier to decide and choose what contract to do or not do, and up to ~ estimate what contract bonus level it even worth doing them, or if it is even better to not bother with leveling up contracts at all.
    There's too many factors i personally at least don't know about the new market, so that's why I didn't name it "strategy" and rather called the title "need help and feedback". but it is a good starting point i think.

    P.S.@All: don't be deceived by so many delicious 100 gold contracts that GGS has shown in their new post, I say it from experience they showed almost the same thing for organic market too, I personally at least have never even saw a contract ever in organic market even after years that give that much gold.focus on "dollar-optimization" instead if u want my advice at least.
  • garybaldy (GB1)garybaldy (GB1) GB1 Posts: 502
    3 charms , either 2 brush + 1 rake or 2 rake +1 brush seem to be worth almost  $ 1,000,000 .I hate to say it , but it looks like we are flogging a dead horse , the screen shot of top level market suggests that overpriced items will always syphon off nearly all profit .





  • 3 charms , either 2 brush + 1 rake or 2 rake +1 brush seem to be worth almost  $ 1,000,000 .I hate to say it , but it looks like we are flogging a dead horse , the screen shot of top level market suggests that overpriced items will always syphon off nearly all profit .





    Not if you outsmart GGS hehe and not level up contracts at all  :p
  • vere (GB1)vere (GB1) GB1 Posts: 20
    Can I delete the fishing area as it costs more than I can earn to manage it and am not interested in filling market orders so it is of no use to me
  • Can I delete the fishing area as it costs more than I can earn to manage it and am not interested in filling market orders so it is of no use to me
    I don't know if that is possible or not, but you are asking the wrong person my friend, send a message to GGS please instead and see if they can delete it for you or not possible.
  • garybaldy (GB1)garybaldy (GB1) GB1 Posts: 502
    Rakes and brushes seem to be the same value,  approx.. $323,000 from the contracts I'm  getting .
     GGS clearly spent lots of time/money developing the deep sea area , so no doubt at some point it will be restored to at least some of its former glory and earning power, when some forthcoming  feature  requires lots of dollars , my bet is the Volcanic Farm .

  • Griffith (INT1)Griffith (INT1) Posts: 768
    edited 17.08.2017
    Rakes and brushes seem to be the same value,  approx.. $323,000 from the contracts I'm  getting .
     GGS clearly spent lots of time/money developing the deep sea area , so no doubt at some point it will be restored to at least some of its former glory and earning power, when some forthcoming  feature  requires lots of dollars , my bet is the Volcanic Farm .

    for 1 item contracts, with level ~61 Lester stash + with 0% bonus contracts(Level 0 contracts), one can sell any type of fish for almost the same profit as old system.
    for 1 item contracts, with level ~57 Lester stash + with 10% bonus contracts(~Level 10 contracts), one can sell any type of fish for almost the same profit as old system.
    for 1 item contracts, with level ~53 Lester stash + with 20% bonus contracts(~Level 40 contracts), one can sell any type of fish for almost the same profit as old system.
    for 1 item contracts, with level ~51 Lester stash + with 25% bonus contracts(~Level 99 contracts), one can sell any type of fish for almost the same profit as old system.

    (This is assuming you are selling your fish through [Dollar + (max 5)Karma Points] contracts only not other contracts that have rare prizes like rake or brush or other costly prizes, And also assuming you are not selling very low quantity of at least "oyster/clam/shrimp", for other types the cost of karma points is almost negligible)
    (Ofcourse it still takes ~30% more time to catch same amount of fish though, and also it won't be as easy as click&sell, but still...)

    I know this is not gonna cheer anyone up much since only god knows how much it cost to make Lester stash that high level(or raise contract level that much). But in general my point is, don't underestimate this market either, it can still be a hellot of profit if one knows how to make good use of it.

    --------------

    P.S.: I just updated the first post and added the table, you can all easier see now which things we are still missing, so we can further complete it together. Thanks in advance again btw everyone :)



    Post edited by Griffith (INT1) on
  • ninjahuman (AU1)ninjahuman (AU1) AU1 Posts: 2,526
    Here are some of my offers:

    Standard contract
    Value: 0
    Sushi restaurant
    Ordered products:
    267 Tuna
    Rewards:
    1 Dig over soil
    3 Pet the animals
    310,482 dollars

    Standard contract
    Value: 0
    Fishing competition
    Ordered products:
    128 Salmon
    260 Shrimp
    Rewards:
    5 Karma points
    2,053,082 dollars
  • JVD (US1)JVD (US1) US1 Posts: 2,784
    @Griffith (INT1)  my Lester Stash is at lvl 17... to upgrade the lvl 18 will cost $443 Million..... don't even want to think what lvl 60 would cost! LOL
  • JVD (US1) said:
    @Griffith (INT1)  my Lester Stash is at lvl 17... to upgrade the lvl 18 will cost $443 Million..... don't even want to think what lvl 60 would cost! LOL
    I am not implying that it is even good to go that high level honestly cause the ROR(rate of return) may not make it worth it even, but eventually in long term if we have no use for our extra dollars it can be a "fake goal" and "fake choice" then.
    I am trying to find some better optimum point for the Lester stash level by doing these calculations now but it's a too complicated math and insufficient data yet.
    But generally I would not advise anyone to go higher than level 15 or max level 20 Lester Stash for now. unless you don't have any other use for your dollars anyway.
  • JVD (US1)JVD (US1) US1 Posts: 2,784
    yep, I stopped at lvl 17 because the ROR would definitely be a loss (as was the last two levelings).... I do have a lot of use for my dollars still at this point... I am guessing I will be in my grave before I get to a point in this game that I have no other use for them! LOL

    I truly appreciate all you are doing on this and at least it will give us something to work towards creating a profit from it! :)
  • Southern (US1)Southern (US1) US1 Posts: 3,268
    JVD (US1) said:
    @Griffith (INT1)  my Lester Stash is at lvl 17... to upgrade the lvl 18 will cost $443 Million..... don't even want to think what lvl 60 would cost! LOL
    I am not implying that it is even good to go that high level honestly cause the ROR(rate of return) may not make it worth it even, but eventually in long term if we have no use for our extra dollars it can be a "fake goal" and "fake choice" then.
    I am trying to find some better optimum point for the Lester stash level by doing these calculations now but it's a too complicated math and insufficient data yet.
    But generally I would not advise anyone to go higher than level 15 or max level 20 Lester Stash for now. unless you don't have any other use for your dollars anyway.
    Here ya go.

    Level 12 is off a bit, if anyone has a Stash at level 11, please let CrazyBigFarm55 know what the upgrade cost to 12 is so she can update the site. :)

    "Amount to Recoup" is the amount of money, in contracts, that you would have to process between the Fish Market and the Organic Market to make the upgrade cost back.   Prior to the Fish Market, I stopped at Level 5, as I doubted very strongly I would ever process more than $1 Billion in organic market contracts.


    (of course, if you want to use GOLD to upgrade the stash, the above chart is useless.. But considering it quickly runs up into the millions of gold, I doubt many would be willing to go that route) :)
  • momrulz (US1)momrulz (US1) Posts: 162
    edited 18.08.2017
    3 charms , either 2 brush + 1 rake or 2 rake +1 brush seem to be worth almost  $ 1,000,000 .I hate to say it , but it looks like we are flogging a dead horse , the screen shot of top level market suggests that overpriced items will always syphon off nearly all profit .





    Not if you outsmart GGS hehe and not level up contracts at all  :p
    But Griffith, the only way not to "level up" contracts is not to do them....or did i miss your point?
    In the organic market, the "level" went up as more contracts were completed, the building itself can't be upgraded....I don't understand what you meant
    and btw thanks for all the hard work gathering and crunching, have you started that fan club yet??  ;)
  • 3 charms , either 2 brush + 1 rake or 2 rake +1 brush seem to be worth almost  $ 1,000,000 .I hate to say it , but it looks like we are flogging a dead horse , the screen shot of top level market suggests that overpriced items will always syphon off nearly all profit .





    Not if you outsmart GGS hehe and not level up contracts at all  :p
    But Griffith, the only way not to "level up" contracts is not to do them....or did i miss your point?
    In the organic market, the "level" went up as more contracts were completed, the building itself can't be upgraded....I don't understand what you meant
    and btw thanks for all the hard work gathering and crunching, have you started that fan club yet??  ;)
    There's another way = declining too many contracts = useless contracts
  • I have filled a few contracts and still am getting 0 bonus. Anybody know why? How do I change it?

  • JVD (US1)JVD (US1) US1 Posts: 2,784
    Question, before our bonus started to increase, didn't we need to do enough contracts to get 6 contracts on the page? then as we completed contracts, we started getting the bonus increase?
  • Sorry I can't do a screen cap, but here's my contract info for lobster chum:

    Standard Contract
    Value:  0

    Sushi Restaurant
    Ordered Products:  
    94 cod
    10 lobster chum

    Rewards:
    5 karma
    1,259,080

    Thanks so much for putting this all together for everyone.  :smile:

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