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Update August 16th - "Deep Sea Changes" - Discussion

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  • Eric_Farm_Guy (US1)Eric_Farm_Guy (US1) Posts: 18
    FarmerCli (US1) said:

    Yes, it will take years...just like it would be before the DSF ever came to Big Farm...so for now I am focusing on just farming.  Note the sending out of boats is just incidental now. Right, and no gold buying either.  Sorry to see your farm in demolish, Eric_Farm_Guy.  Have you asked GGS to remove it from your account yet?
    I'm not finished demolishing the houses yet.  If they want to delete the farms and/or account after that, it's up to them.
  • Lady_Muck (AU1)Lady_Muck (AU1) AU1 Posts: 69
    Farmer_John (US1) said:
    rxn. (RO1) said:
    I want an answer from GGS team:

    Why are green dollars gained so less and the prices of the buildings,expansions are so expensive ?
    I also want a tutorial "how to raise the farm in HOW MANY YEARS SPENDING ALL DAY COLLECTING (ORCHARDS= every 3 hours)  BEFORE REMOVING ALL THE GOOD STUFF IN THIS GAME" .


    We all do..!!  a high percentage of players are very educated, seems GGS needs to offer an educated answer. The word "balanced" is smoke....no oysters or clams to fill contracts,....right now I have 5 fishing pools with nothing but Herring and Tuna......the word balanced has wore thin.  The players demanda professional, and educated answer.
    Sorry that one is on leave.
  • White _Doves (US1)White _Doves (US1) Posts: 1,200
    Eric_Farm_Guy (US1) said:
    FarmerCli (US1) said:

    Yes, it will take years...just like it would be before the DSF ever came to Big Farm...so for now I am focusing on just farming.  Note the sending out of boats is just incidental now. Right, and no gold buying either.  Sorry to see your farm in demolish, Eric_Farm_Guy.  Have you asked GGS to remove it from your account yet?
    I'm not finished demolishing the houses yet.  If they want to delete the farms and/or account after that, it's up to them.
    If you ever bought gold, you must tell Support you want the farm/account deleted. Otherwise, if you bought no gold it takes ~6 months to be deleted.
  • buddy194 (US1)buddy194 (US1) US1 Posts: 382
    Damaria3 (US1) said:
    It is early yet  wait for another CC that is where they see the real decrease
    I think you're right about this, @Damaria3 (US1)  Though we don't have access to GGS statistics, all indications are that the heavy gold buyers are also the heavy mission players.  And I imagine even moderate gold buyers increase their purchases just before and during a CC.   So this upcoming CC will tell GGS how much (if any) damage they've done to the game with the DSF fiasco.

    GGS knows from past experience that when they introduce changes, people complain (whether warranted or not), blow off steam, get over it, and the game then goes back to normal gold buying.  This next CC should be a telling point for them.
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    I don't even feel these were changes.  In my opinion the entire Dockyard was a big con.  The way they rolled out the dockyard and then the FHWE with it.  Giving us high prices on fish and then suddenly yanking it away after many built up the dockyard and fleet with gold and hard earned farm cash.  I certainly would not have spent ANYTHING on the dockyard area the way it is now.  I would have treated it just like the islands ... a big money pit and I would have steered clear.
  • gizmo22 (AU1)gizmo22 (AU1) AU1 Posts: 1,720
    Of course it was a con.......they knew the numbers and the massive profits that could be made. They even came into forums and talked it up, bragged about how millions upon millions could be made per day once the fleets were upgraded and set up properly. Players were drawn into this, started spending lots of money upgrading their fleets and fell for the trap...this "adjustment" was always going to happen.

    The truth is GGS don't want players to fully upgrade their labs....I mean why would they? Once players can make gold products (tokens, seaweed feeds etc) and gold itself there would be no need for these players to spend gold on this game again. Its been a big scam from the start......lab upgrades made soooooo out of reach most players will never get to the gold item levels. Their "strategy" is to keep players at their computers for as long as possible and milk as much money out of them during this time. When this game eventually crashes and burns (its well on the way there with angry players deceived by GGS bad business ethic) they will take the money and start a whole new game, new name, new concept....then the con starts all over again.
  • Xcution (INT1)Xcution (INT1) INT1 Posts: 1,183
    Shay1968 (US1) said:
    Xcution (INT1) said:
    Shay1968 (US1) said:
    Farmer_John (US1) said:
    We all do..!!  a high percentage of players are very educated, seems GGS needs to offer an educated answer. The word "balanced" is smoke....no oysters or clams to fill contracts,....right now I have 5 fishing pools with nothing but Herring and Tuna......the word balanced has wore thin.  The players demand a professional, and educated answer.

    213 Million for Lab upgrades..!!!  How is that supposed to be done in a lifetime?

    Please explain your definition of "balance"  in detail.  Thank you.
    With the current economy of Bigfarm, I certainly will not live to see level 100 of my Lab.  Maybe the Lab is just supposed to be a joke.  So we can go to our farm and look at it and have a daily laugh.  Laughter is good for the soul.
    From ggs perspective
    Is it some kind of joke ? :neutral:
    From players perspective
    Ofcorse we are not gonna live that long 
    Again ggs perspective.
    If the players are thinking they arnt gonna complete the lab just buy gold and do all the upgrade who want the green $ :smiley: 
    P
    So in reality, this is really not a FREE game, not if we want to see our Lab fully upgraded before we die; We MUST buy gold if we want to see our lab come to full fruition. So although this game is FREE to join and play, you cannot play it to it's maximum potential without the use of gold because GGS insists there must be balance even though a person can not upgrade the Lab with the current economy during their lifetime.  I understand completely. 
    On my server  the highest lab I have ever seen is on 35lvl the player has a lvl around 400+ (sue62)
    And she built the lab without fish just this thought made me worry how long shes been playing 
    And on top of that she is a gold user lol

  • Xcution (INT1)Xcution (INT1) INT1 Posts: 1,183
    I never buy gold and I don't intend to with the help so dsf
    I made some improvement I buy all the lands lester and academy is on lvl,10
    Lab is on 12 as the dsf gone I dont wanna see these 3 building due to their high prices which need them to upgrade :'(
  • andy123321 (INT1)andy123321 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 117

    Gavin Farms, have you tried ZOOMING IN...?   The size of the label will stay the same, but the carts, hwe, etc will increase.

    .

  • Farmer_John (US1)Farmer_John (US1) Posts: 47
    I'm thinking that the "balance" of the game shall remain GGS manufactured.
    The Boat Dock part of the game still has no oysters, clams, or shrimp.  

    My question: What is the darn point of the game when the game makers cant even offer game balance? The whole Boat portion is useless,...GGS has the shop offer contract after contract, yet STILL offers no pools in which to fish from.

    The attitude GGS has, I'm thinking,..maybe they should just shut the game down, shut it down and let them move on to something else.  This game has become a joke.
  • Xcution (INT1)Xcution (INT1) INT1 Posts: 1,183
    Need a suggestion is it good ??? :(
  • Xcution (INT1)Xcution (INT1) INT1 Posts: 1,183
    Or this one let me know plz :(:(
  • 24-KL0V3R (US1)24-KL0V3R (US1) US1 Posts: 2,464
    edited 30.01.2023
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    Post edited by 24-KL0V3R (US1) on
  • Xcution (INT1)Xcution (INT1) INT1 Posts: 1,183
    @FarmerCli (US1) I need to complete to hey the better ones if not I have to suffer the penalty :'(
  • Surya54 (INT1)Surya54 (INT1) INT1 Posts: 507
    Normally I would ignore the contract and focus on normal habit instead. If you put all effort just to complete the contract, then your farm (espically for those who run on 'danger' zone) would commit suicide. When it meet the requirement (slow but sure), then I will fulfill the contract. So in other words, instead rushing for completing the ridiculous contract ever, I just do normal farming and fishing, which give me a constant profit
  • stef7 (US1)stef7 (US1) US1 Posts: 460
    Damaria3 (US1) said:
    I have never used gold to buy farm cash  if that were truly needed don't think that 80% of the players would be here.   Not sure why you think players needed to buy gold to get enough farm cash stef7  I had my farms all completed before DSF arrived.  Now I bought gold to buy land and upgrade but that is it. 
    Do you have your LABS ans Lesters stash on top levels? The lab alone would take over 60 year if you made 5 mil a day in farm cash

    Also do you really think GGS is going to run a game for free. They are a business. They have to make money. 
    How do they do that? Not from free playing, but from Gold purchases.


  • stef7 (US1)stef7 (US1) US1 Posts: 460
    artful (US1) said:
    Eric_Farm_Guy (US1) said:

    artful (US1) said:
    Not if you don't buy any, just sayin'.  B)
    I was referring those who want the game to move forward at a decent pace.  The fact GGS hasn't changed much of anything would indicate the gold sales have not suffered enough to matter to them.
    Or they've suffered to the point that the game is on its last legs.  The company's finances may not be that strong if online sources are to be believed.

    Right on the money.
  • 24-KL0V3R (US1)24-KL0V3R (US1) US1 Posts: 2,464
    Surya54 (INT1) said:
    Normally I would ignore the contract and focus on normal habit instead. If you put all effort just to complete the contract, then your farm (espically for those who run on 'danger' zone) would commit suicide. When it meet the requirement (slow but sure), then I will fulfill the contract. So in other words, instead rushing for completing the ridiculous contract ever, I just do normal farming and fishing, which give me a constant profit
    I absolutely agree with you....those farmers on the "danger zone" should focus on the organic contracts, and doing their normal farming rather than the fish market.
  • amaprincess1 (US1)amaprincess1 (US1) Posts: 636
    Surya54 (INT1) said:
    Normally I would ignore the contract and focus on normal habit instead. If you put all effort just to complete the contract, then your farm (espically for those who run on 'danger' zone) would commit suicide. When it meet the requirement (slow but sure), then I will fulfill the contract. So in other words, instead rushing for completing the ridiculous contract ever, I just do normal farming and fishing, which give me a constant profit

    What do you mean by "...those who run on 'danger' zone..."?
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    amaprincess1 (US1) said:
    Surya54 (INT1) said:
    Normally I would ignore the contract and focus on normal habit instead. If you put all effort just to complete the contract, then your farm (espically for those who run on 'danger' zone) would commit suicide. When it meet the requirement (slow but sure), then I will fulfill the contract. So in other words, instead rushing for completing the ridiculous contract ever, I just do normal farming and fishing, which give me a constant profit

    What do you mean by "...those who run on 'danger' zone..."?
    He means those that run in the red for happiness.  Not easy to make a profit 
  • amaprincess1 (US1)amaprincess1 (US1) Posts: 636
    Shay1968 (US1) said:
    amaprincess1 (US1) said:
    Surya54 (INT1) said:
    Normally I would ignore the contract and focus on normal habit instead. If you put all effort just to complete the contract, then your farm (espically for those who run on 'danger' zone) would commit suicide. When it meet the requirement (slow but sure), then I will fulfill the contract. So in other words, instead rushing for completing the ridiculous contract ever, I just do normal farming and fishing, which give me a constant profit

    What do you mean by "...those who run on 'danger' zone..."?
    He means those that run in the red for happiness.  Not easy to make a profit 

    Then he doesn't know what he's talking about. I run at +483% on my main farm. Make about $700K every 3 hours just on apples. Make millions on my main farm every day. The lab was a game changer. 
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    amaprincess1 (US1) said:
    Shay1968 (US1) said:
    amaprincess1 (US1) said:
    Surya54 (INT1) said:
    Normally I would ignore the contract and focus on normal habit instead. If you put all effort just to complete the contract, then your farm (espically for those who run on 'danger' zone) would commit suicide. When it meet the requirement (slow but sure), then I will fulfill the contract. So in other words, instead rushing for completing the ridiculous contract ever, I just do normal farming and fishing, which give me a constant profit

    What do you mean by "...those who run on 'danger' zone..."?
    He means those that run in the red for happiness.  Not easy to make a profit 

    Then he doesn't know what he's talking about. I run at +483% on my main farm. Make about $700K every 3 hours just on apples. Make millions on my main farm every day. The lab was a game changer. 
    It depends on how big someones farm is.  If the farm is big enough to support the negative happiness and actually making a profit, it is fine. A newer player would not be able to stick a bunch of apples on their farm, they would have no room for them and would not be able to grow fast.  Newer players need a balance of buildings and decos.  so they can make cash to buy more land and to buy land on the gourmet farm and the necessary buildings/stables, etc.   I am sure he does not mean fully or mostly developed farms.
  • amaprincess1 (US1)amaprincess1 (US1) Posts: 636
    That certainly was true before the lab. It would have been a bad idea to go production on a farm lower than about level 125. I think that is pretty much cut in half now though I haven't tested it. It's not just a "Walmart" approach of numbers vs. profit. You get both now. Of course, back to topic... The 15 to 20ish million dollars a day my whole farm makes now is chump change compared to what I was doing when we could sell fish. But that is what they sold me. Or tricked me into buying...

  • Damaria3 (US1)Damaria3 (US1) US1 Posts: 1,737
    stef7 (US1) said:
    Damaria3 (US1) said:
    I have never used gold to buy farm cash  if that were truly needed don't think that 80% of the players would be here.   Not sure why you think players needed to buy gold to get enough farm cash stef7  I had my farms all completed before DSF arrived.  Now I bought gold to buy land and upgrade but that is it. 
    Do you have your LABS ans Lesters stash on top levels? The lab alone would take over 60 year if you made 5 mil a day in farm cash

    Also do you really think GGS is going to run a game for free. They are a business. They have to make money. 
    How do they do that? Not from free playing, but from Gold purchases.



    I am perfectly aware that this is a business and have previously been a steady gold buyer my bank account is much happier since the bomb hit here.  I was happy to buy gold to speed things up  buy up my land but have never bought cash with my gold that was my point which you missed entirely.  I would never use gold to upgrade that lab or lesters tree or academy they are but have my lab as far as I ever want to take it can make greenhouse humus  to me for what it takes in materials to make a small amt of gold  is absurd  not worth bothering with. 
  • amaprincess1 (US1)amaprincess1 (US1) Posts: 636
    Damaria3 (US1) said:
    stef7 (US1) said:
    Damaria3 (US1) said:
    I have never used gold to buy farm cash  if that were truly needed don't think that 80% of the players would be here.   Not sure why you think players needed to buy gold to get enough farm cash stef7  I had my farms all completed before DSF arrived.  Now I bought gold to buy land and upgrade but that is it. 
    Do you have your LABS ans Lesters stash on top levels? The lab alone would take over 60 year if you made 5 mil a day in farm cash

    Also do you really think GGS is going to run a game for free. They are a business. They have to make money. 
    How do they do that? Not from free playing, but from Gold purchases.



    I am perfectly aware that this is a business and have previously been a steady gold buyer my bank account is much happier since the bomb hit here.  I was happy to buy gold to speed things up  buy up my land but have never bought cash with my gold that was my point which you missed entirely.  I would never use gold to upgrade that lab or lesters tree or academy they are but have my lab as far as I ever want to take it can make greenhouse humus  to me for what it takes in materials to make a small amt of gold  is absurd  not worth bothering with. 

    lol  Maybe where she lives, businesses don't need customers. You know, the ones who are supposed to always be right? ;)
  • stef7 (US1)stef7 (US1) US1 Posts: 460
    amaprincess1 (US1) said:
    That certainly was true before the lab. It would have been a bad idea to go production on a farm lower than about level 125. I think that is pretty much cut in half now though I haven't tested it. It's not just a "Walmart" approach of numbers vs. profit. You get both now. Of course, back to topic... The 15 to 20ish million dollars a day my whole farm makes now is chump change compared to what I was doing when we could sell fish. But that is what they sold me. Or tricked me into buying...

    I went production long before I hit level 100. No lab back then or market. Never was rich but never ran out of money either.  Back in the day of being in one of the top 4 coops we were encouraged to have a production farms. I had enough money to not just do but complete the temp island when it first came out. That is long before all the Coop challenges and fishing and village and extra stuff was added.

    Now I have my own coop and can not keep up with funding all the extras plus the coop. 
  • stef7 (US1)stef7 (US1) US1 Posts: 460
    amaprincess1 (US1) said:
    Damaria3 (US1) said:
    stef7 (US1) said:
    Damaria3 (US1) said:
    I have never used gold to buy farm cash  if that were truly needed don't think that 80% of the players would be here.   Not sure why you think players needed to buy gold to get enough farm cash stef7  I had my farms all completed before DSF arrived.  Now I bought gold to buy land and upgrade but that is it. 
    Do you have your LABS ans Lesters stash on top levels? The lab alone would take over 60 year if you made 5 mil a day in farm cash

    Also do you really think GGS is going to run a game for free. They are a business. They have to make money. 
    How do they do that? Not from free playing, but from Gold purchases.



    I am perfectly aware that this is a business and have previously been a steady gold buyer my bank account is much happier since the bomb hit here.  I was happy to buy gold to speed things up  buy up my land but have never bought cash with my gold that was my point which you missed entirely.  I would never use gold to upgrade that lab or lesters tree or academy they are but have my lab as far as I ever want to take it can make greenhouse humus  to me for what it takes in materials to make a small amt of gold  is absurd  not worth bothering with. 

    lol  Maybe where she lives, businesses don't need customers. You know, the ones who are supposed to always be right? ;)
    I live in reality. If GGS loses a few customers on this game it is no big deal. They have at least 5 other games they make money off of in addition to BF. When this one stops making money they will have  just shut it down and make something new just like the 3 others games they already shut down. 
  • amaprincess1 (US1)amaprincess1 (US1) Posts: 636
    edited 05.09.2017
    I don't think I know anyone who has the lab maxed out. What would be the point of having 100 different things to make? Time would be a problem, I would think... I just have it upgraded to the level that makes duck feed. I also have one on gourmet upgraded through cow feed. The two of them keep my main farm making plenty of farm cash. I use nothing but premium feed and fert on both farms.
  • Shay1968 (US1)Shay1968 (US1) Posts: 1,324
    You don't have to buy farm cash from the lady by the car to upgrade the Lab; The Lab, just as most buildings, has an option to purchase the upgrade with gold.  I personally feel the Lab is over-rated and would never use gold to upgrade it ... seems too much like a trap; make the farm cash cost outrageous so the gold cost looks a little more enticing.
  • stef7 (US1)stef7 (US1) US1 Posts: 460
    Damaria3 (US1) said:
    stef7 (US1) said:
    Damaria3 (US1) said:
    I have never used gold to buy farm cash  if that were truly needed don't think that 80% of the players would be here.   Not sure why you think players needed to buy gold to get enough farm cash stef7  I had my farms all completed before DSF arrived.  Now I bought gold to buy land and upgrade but that is it. 
    Do you have your LABS ans Lesters stash on top levels? The lab alone would take over 60 year if you made 5 mil a day in farm cash

    Also do you really think GGS is going to run a game for free. They are a business. They have to make money. 
    How do they do that? Not from free playing, but from Gold purchases.



    I am perfectly aware that this is a business and have previously been a steady gold buyer my bank account is much happier since the bomb hit here.  I was happy to buy gold to speed things up  buy up my land but have never bought cash with my gold that was my point which you missed entirely.  I would never use gold to upgrade that lab or lesters tree or academy they are but have my lab as far as I ever want to take it can make greenhouse humus  to me for what it takes in materials to make a small amt of gold  is absurd  not worth bothering with. 

    You said it yourself you used gold to buy land and upgrade. That is the same thing as buying farm cash to use for upgrades. You made my point you have to use gold either directly or in some cases to buy farm cash to pay for the upgrade to do higher upgrades in a timely manner.

     

    There is now is no other way anyone can upgrade the labs to top level in any reasonable amount of time without buying farm cash. 

    You personally may not have any interest in upgrading your lab but a lot of people are and are doing so. Now that they can not get mega cash from DSF they have to buy farm cash (hence use gold hence GGS makes money) in order to pay for the upgrade unless they want to wait 60 plus years.

     

    And that is exactly why GGS took away the mega cash they want us to have to use Gold because they are a business and out to make money.

     

    People are complaining the price to buy land and do higher upgrades are to high and they can not do it now without the high amount of cash from DSF. They do not want to wait 2 or 3 years they want it now. That is what GGS wants. You have to use gold if you do not want to wait years.

     

    GGS is counting on us using gold and not waiting years. As to the free players lets face it GGS dose not make any money off them so if it takes them 200 years to do an upgrade or they stop playing the game because it takes to long , well they do not make money on them any way so no big loss.


    Whether we like it or not they are a business and out to make money and they have changed the game back to a way so that you have to either spend gold one way or an other to do high upgrades faster, or it will take you years to do upgrades   

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