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The new duck coop - how useful is it?

Since the new duck pond already caused a lot of questions even now, here's all the information you need to see how the ducky fun works. :)

We already mentioned that the new duck coop will have roughly the power of five single coops. But what does this mean in detail?
To help everyone understand, here are the values of a regular duck coop on max level 8, including the boost of its library book on stage 5:

Example: regular duck stable:

590 eggs + 250 eggs (Book) = 840 eggs in 8 hours = 105 eggs/hour
In this case, 4 regular duck coops produce 420 Eggs/hour

And now we'll compare this with the new duck pond stable in its different variants:

Example: Dandy duck coop (easy difficulty)
649 eggs + 250 eggs (Book) = 899 eggs in 2 hours = 450 eggs/hour

Example: Deluxe duck coop (mid difficulty)
737 eggs + 250 eggs (Book) = 987 eggs in 2 hours = 494 eggs/hour

Example: Dazzling duck coop (hard difficulty)
885 eggs + 250 eggs (Book) = 1135 eggs in 2 hours =  568 eggs/hour


This should hopefully describe the relations of the new coop. As you can see, under these identical prerequisitives, while using up the room of four stables, the new coop has in all examples a better production rate than 4 regular coops. With the med sized one, it's comparable to 5 regular coops, and after that it excels these by a large margin.


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  • Kamandi (US1)Kamandi (US1) US1 Posts: 9
    edited 11.05.2016
    Here's the scoop on the new Co-op Challenge grand prize, the Duck Pond.

    The new Duck Pond takes up the same space (16 x 12) and people (52 for level 8) as 4 duck coops.  The harvest time is 2 hours verses 8 for the coop.  Pond takes 100 seaweed vs 25 for coop, but gold push would be reasonable.  Here’s the details:

    Lvl 8 Coop makes 590 eggs (+250 for lvl 5 books) & 157 dung in 8 hrs, and 4 level 8 Coops make:

    2,360 eggs (+1,000 for level 5 books) & 628 dung in 8 hrs

    100% Pond option makes 649 eggs (+24 for books) & 172 dung in 2 hours or, 2,596 eggs (+96 for books) & 688 dung in 8 hrs.  If you have level 5 books you make 3,360 in 8 hrs with Coop vs 2,692 eggs for Pond.

    80% Pond option makes 737 eggs (+24 for books) & 196 dung in 2 hrs or 2,948 eggs (+96 for books) & 784 dung in 8 hrs.  If you have level 5 books you make 3,360 in 8 hrs with Coop vs 3,044 eggs for Pond.

    It appears they have erred in their calculations for the value of books with the Pond (it should be +63 for books just to make it even, plus more if the level 6 book is purchased). 

    If the book calculations are corrected (so that it’s equal with Coops or the Pond), the Pond would produce 10% more eggs (236 every 8 hours) with the 100% option and 25% more eggs (588 every 8 hours) with the 80% option.  If the book calculations are not corrected, you’d be better off avoiding the Pond because the Coops produce more eggs with less work (1 harvest vs 4) and would require no re-tooling of your farm.

    Your math geek, 

    Kamandi

    Post edited by Kamandi (US1) on
  • Not worth it
    We already know who will win

  • bdreish (GB1)bdreish (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,341
    edited 12.05.2016
    It would have been kinder to ALL players to have given us a farm expansion (we thought that this was what was hinted to on the front page) or another permanent farm.  There will only be a couple of coops who win this new duck pond, leaving every other coop far behind in missions and coop challenge,  and making it even more difficult for other coops to win one. 
  • only one on each server..it is prize for 1st place
    and an even greater gap between coops in the future

    sad :'(


  • CM LattenCM Latten Posts: 542
    It would have been kinder to ALL players to have given us a farm expansion (we thought that this was what was hinted to on the front page) or another permanent farm. 
    Hmmmm


    Hmmmmmmmmmm
  • lthrrr (GB1)lthrrr (GB1) Posts: 1,665
    CM Latten said:
    It would have been kinder to ALL players to have given us a farm expansion (we thought that this was what was hinted to on the front page) or another permanent farm. 
    Hmmmm


    Hmmmmmmmmmm
    Hmmm, Latten's Hmmmmm's look intriguing !!   ;)
  • bdreish (GB1)bdreish (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,341
    Hmmmmmmm - wonder what that means hmmmmmm ?
  • Michiru (GB1)Michiru (GB1) GB1 Posts: 1,239
    Thanks for the number info :wink: 

    Though honestly I dont care about the exact increase in productivity, it's so prettyyyyy 
    It would fit so perfectly in my bubblegum pink dominated LSD candy inspired farm!!
    I know I cant have it they way it is now.... but I wantsss it

  • CM Latten said:
    It would have been kinder to ALL players to have given us a farm expansion (we thought that this was what was hinted to on the front page) or another permanent farm. 
    Hmmmm


    Hmmmmmmmmmm
    Hmmm, Latten's Hmmmmm's look intriguing !!   ;)
    Oooh very interesting Hmmmmmming..... Hey Latten, whisper in ear ....



    We won`t tell anyone.


  • only one on each server..it is prize for 1st place
    and an even greater gap between coops in the future

    sad :'(


    Hey,3 cooperatives on each server will recieve this duck coop,not only one,LOL


    But that doesn't makes much difference,still have to fight a lot to get it.  :wink: 

  • jess_d (US1)jess_d (US1) US1 Posts: 3,515
    CM Latten said:
    It would have been kinder to ALL players to have given us a farm expansion (we thought that this was what was hinted to on the front page) or another permanent farm. 
    Hmmmm


    Hmmmmmmmmmm
    No you have me saying Hmmmmmm! I wonder what kind of farm it will be?
    Let's tickle him until he tells! 

    Hey,3 cooperatives on each server will recieve this duck coop,not only one,LOL


    But that doesn't makes much difference,still have to fight a lot to get it.  :wink: 

    According to the OA only the number 1 ranked co-op in gold league will get the new duck coop. :(

    The new duck pond will be a fantastic, new and exclusive prize for rank 1 of the gold league. 


  • amandaps (INT1)amandaps (INT1) INT1 Posts: 300
    CM Latten said:
    It would have been kinder to ALL players to have given us a farm expansion (we thought that this was what was hinted to on the front page) or another permanent farm. 
    Hmmmm


    Hmmmmmmmmmm
    oooohh, now THIS sounds exciting !!
    Finally, some good news ?
  • SAUGATA4 (IN1)SAUGATA4 (IN1) IN1 Posts: 45

    The new ducky may be marginally better than the ordinary duck coop but why compare the new ducky with a ordinary duck coop ? Since only the top cooperative in each server gets it , it should be atleast as good as the one offered in the temporary farm. It may look interesting to lower level players but I don't think anyone who is capable of winning it will find it of any use. Common GGS take a hard look once again what you are offering the the best cooperative. If you don't do it some of the best players may lose interest in CC 


  • CM Latten said:
    Since the new duck pond already caused a lot of questions even now, here's all the information you need to see how the ducky fun works. :)

    We already mentioned that the new duck coop will have roughly the power of five single coops. But what does this mean in detail?
    To help everyone understand, here are the values of a regular duck coop on max level 8, including the boost of its library book on stage 5:

    Example: regular duck stable:

    590 eggs + 250 eggs (Book) = 840 eggs in 8 hours = 105 eggs/hour
    In this case, 4 regular duck coops produce 420 Eggs/hour

    And now we'll compare this with the new duck pond stable in its different variants:

    Example: Dandy duck coop (easy difficulty)
    649 eggs + 250 eggs (Book) = 899 eggs in 2 hours = 450 eggs/hour

    Example: Deluxe duck coop (mid difficulty)
    737 eggs + 250 eggs (Book) = 987 eggs in 2 hours = 494 eggs/hour

    Example: Dazzling duck coop (hard difficulty)
    885 eggs + 250 eggs (Book) = 1135 eggs in 2 hours =  568 eggs/hour


    This should hopefully describe the relations of the new coop. As you can see, under these identical prerequisitives, while using up the room of four stables, the new coop has in all examples a better production rate than 4 regular coops. With the med sized one, it's comparable to 5 regular coops, and after that it excels these by a large margin.


    as GGS earlier said that it would be giving eggs equal to 5 duck coops....so it should have been giving 525 and NOT 450.
    second thing which u didn't consider here is EXTRA feeds which would be needed for this so called SPECIAL duck coop.
    over all it is not worth it to be top reward in CC.
  • CM Latten said:
    Since the new duck pond already caused a lot of questions even now, here's all the information you need to see how the ducky fun works. :)

    We already mentioned that the new duck coop will have roughly the power of five single coops. But what does this mean in detail?
    To help everyone understand, here are the values of a regular duck coop on max level 8, including the boost of its library book on stage 5:

    Example: regular duck stable:

    590 eggs + 250 eggs (Book) = 840 eggs in 8 hours = 105 eggs/hour
    In this case, 4 regular duck coops produce 420 Eggs/hour

    And now we'll compare this with the new duck pond stable in its different variants:

    Example: Dandy duck coop (easy difficulty)
    649 eggs + 250 eggs (Book) = 899 eggs in 2 hours = 450 eggs/hour

    Example: Deluxe duck coop (mid difficulty)
    737 eggs + 250 eggs (Book) = 987 eggs in 2 hours = 494 eggs/hour

    Example: Dazzling duck coop (hard difficulty)
    885 eggs + 250 eggs (Book) = 1135 eggs in 2 hours =  568 eggs/hour


    This should hopefully describe the relations of the new coop. As you can see, under these identical prerequisitives, while using up the room of four stables, the new coop has in all examples a better production rate than 4 regular coops. With the med sized one, it's comparable to 5 regular coops, and after that it excels these by a large margin.
    Feed usage is too much. "the new duck coop will have roughly the power of five single coops".. ??
    with the feed usage of three duck coops?
    Do a rough math,
    2 hrs - 30 feed.
    8 hrs - 3 times 30 feeds.
    There goes our hard work of making duck feed.                         
    All this work for 2 hours working of ducks? not fair.
  • Pietral (US1)Pietral (US1) US1 Posts: 163
    Not that I'm going to be getting the duck coop, but...

    My basic daily schedule is to wake up ~7:00, log in and harvest and then leave for work, get back home around ~18:00, and be available for playing until I go to sleep ~23:00.  I think this is a pretty typical schedule for someone with a full time job during regular working hours, plus/minus an hour here or there, so I'd assume this would apply to a good deal of people.

    This means I can harvest a regular duck coop twice a day (7:00 and 18:00), and this new enhanced one 4 times a day (7:00, 18:00, 20:00, 22:00)

    By the numbers provided, with 4 regular duck coops, I'd harvest 4 coops x 2 harvests x 840 eggs = 6720 eggs per day.  By contrast, the top tier enhanced duck coop would only provide me with 4 harvests x 1135 eggs = 4540 eggs per day.  That's a 33% DECREASE.

    So now I don't feel bad about the fact that I won't be getting it.
  • Dark Underworld (AU1)Dark Underworld (AU1) AU1 Posts: 2,992
    edited 16.05.2016

    NEW duck waste of time and farm $$$.   GGS have made a mess of this one, again.   NO use doing CC reward is worthless.  We have already won it on AU server as we are so far ahead.  But it will never be built unless GGS fixs this error.  Our co op will never do CC EVER again unless this is fixed.

    Ok lets use GGS own maths a see how good they are

    Norm ducks get harvested 2 times a day, at lvl 8 and all book bought that is

    590 eggs + 250 eggs (Book) x2 harvests x 4 ducks  = 6720 eggs

    now hard to believe but I sleep so new ducks will produce

    649 eggs + 250 eggs (book) x 8harvests (16hrs) = 7192 eggs

    So if u can get 8 harvests in you will be slightly better off (472 eggs), no work, no other chores and sit at computer for 16hrs a day you will do 7192 eggs.  But in real life u will probably only get 5, 6 or 7 harvest a day, may even be less depending on life

    6 harvests is

    649 eggs + 250 eggs x 6 = 5394

    7 harvests is

    649 eggs + 250 eggs x 7 = 6293

    So if u spend 14hrs a day, every day, on your farm you will be 427 eggs a day worse off.

    Most of us harvest ducks 2 times a day easy.  This makes us far worse off.  Now with this u also got to take into consideration destruction time of 4 duck and rebuild time and upgrade of the new Duck coop and also costs of upgrades.


    There is NO WAY I will be building new duck coop.  To even consider it, it output would need to be 50% more than current output.

    The best these ducks should have been 8hrs per harvest and 5400, (450x24)/2 450 eggs per hr as per above calculation from Lattern,  per harvest at max level, 10800 per day at least then there would be some benefit.


    GGS do your maths in real life and don't just throw numbers at us and think we will believe you.


    Post edited by Dark Underworld (AU1) on
  • @Byron Longford (AU1)  I agree, yet another new addition that went from happy-dance to facepalms on closer inspection. :(

    When I first saw the ducks I REALLY wanted them, for the look & the practical benefit of faster harvesting & less clicking, until I saw that they only take 2 hours & that has totally put me off them.

    In theory faster ducks seems like a good thing, but there must be a reason why the game balancers made ducks take 8 hours in the 1st place, so how come its now ok for them to only take 2 hours? I know it would mess up the balance on my GF, which currently runs like a well oiled machined & the last thing I would want is ducks starting & ending & different times to each other.

    The "less clicking" as a result of combining 4 coops into 1, is completely negated by having to restart it 4x as often & the food required to start them should not have been increased, because that is also 4x as much already due to restarting 4x as often.
  • Jiesta (NL1)Jiesta (NL1) Posts: 6,557
    edited 16.05.2016
    @Pietral (US1) , @Byron Longford (AU1) , @RunsWivScissors (GB1) 

    Fully agree - this new duck pond is the first decoration that made me drool, that much I would like to have it. Still love the graphics, but no way I am going to demolish old duck coops, and build this new one in their place, when this means a decrease in harvests! :wink: 

    THANKS for the math, guys! :+1:
  • lisoo (FR1)lisoo (FR1) FR1 Posts: 529
    Hi everyone

    Since we don't have no more CM until July on the french server :'( I have to come here to ask my question.

    Can we build the new duck coop on all the farms or only the second one ?

    Thank you for your answer 

    Lisoo

  • @lisoo (FR1) Themed buildings still follow the same rules as their regular versions, ducks stay on Gourmet farm where their food is grown & produced. :)
  • lisoo (FR1)lisoo (FR1) FR1 Posts: 529
    Thank you RunsWivScissors :)
  • Dark Underworld (AU1)Dark Underworld (AU1) AU1 Posts: 2,992
    edited 18.05.2016

    y have we had no response from GGS on these figures?


    I have also had another thought.  What about the days when I get 3 harvests in.  ie 6am, 2pm and then at 10pm.  Now these days I am going to be far worse off.  You could even do this every 2nd day, 1 day get 3 harvest next 2 and repeat now new ducks are even worse, there is no way that the new duck could produce as much and get sleep as well.

  • CM LattenCM Latten Posts: 542
    Hey Byron,

    I forwarded your example to our balancing team, will let you know if/when I hear back from them :)
  • Thanks Lattern
  • CM LattenCM Latten Posts: 542
    There's news :) Of course our users are smart and found an actual issue - the feed requirements for duck feed are wrong and will be changed to 10 normal and 40 Seaweed feed! 

    Thank you!
  • Good to hear they are correcting that one, hope we hear back about quantity of production as well.
  • Dark Underworld (AU1)Dark Underworld (AU1) AU1 Posts: 2,992
    edited 19.05.2016

    Another thought for these new ducks would be able to put on different amounts of feed.  10 feed for 2hrs, 40 feed for 8hrs and 40 seaweed feed, this then give option for if u r not on all the time.  Of course 2hr feed over 8hrs (4x10) give more eggs than the 8hr feed. 

    So where you feed the ducks the first feed would be 2hrs and under that would be 8hrs and on the other feeds you would have seaweed feed then 2hr premium feed and then 8hr premium feed.

    This would alleviate the problem and make the new duck coop worth building

  • Another thought for it would be have it as other production ie, so can put it on like the mill or silo and go 2/4/6/8hr selection.  would even b better.
  • From the lack of response it seems that the NEW Duck Coop that we try so hard to win and spend lots of gold on is waste.  Mine is still sitting waiting to be built and there it will stay. 

    No way it will ever be built with current set up.  HUGE loss for anyone who builds, unless you can harvest it 8 times EVERY day, which very few can. 

    ADVISE:  DO NOT DO CC REWARD HEAP OF RUBBISH.

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