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Dear Latten,
There are around 8000 posts on this thread! Over 80% players asking for the same thing!
Why can't you find a way around this! There is whole team of designers at GGS and none of them can come up with a better idea than this one or even a tweak!
Think what a solution to this problem, show us players some consideration...
Lets look forward to upcoming progress! please find a way out of this!
uksharon--I don't think i answered your question correctly--Please don't delete it all. I think i am done with it all here.
Since this is problem only with main farm "expand main farm plots" and then place the decorations back onto farm.Give them 3 months time or whatever the time and after 3 months 500% costs apply.something like that.Thats the best I can think about.go for a poll ask everyone or think something in similar lines
i bought libary books wheat and cowfeed to can support my 19 cows and buy also milk liberay.
you willing to refund that gold cause with this update its useless when i break down mine cows......
you think thats only slightly fear to first let people belief they need the books and then 2 weeks later BOEM change the rules and i got left with someting i not need?
i think ggs never thought of this downside...and if they did and choose to not refunding then even more shame on them
The only question remains: When I drop the game, I don't want to leave my account behind to be used by GG to inflate player number. How can I eliminate my farm completely with no trace left behind?
Sounds to me, if I'm reading this correctly, that a mass production farm is still a viable option but more expensive and will now become a more challenging choice than an easy one. This is much better than simply shutting it down altogether. I think maybe GGS have been misunderstood here - they are letting this strategy continue, but at a higher price.
So let's all calm down and wait until after the update to see just what effect the change will really have.
Listen to us and kill this update. That's your part, GGS.
If the update goes through, this will have been my last purchase. If the update is 86'd, I keep on buying. We are playing completely within the rules, please do not change them after so many people have spent time, money and effort developing their farms within the constructs of the game. I'm sorry that you feel that you made a mistake in this aspect of the game's development. NOW is not the time to do anything about it, however. Should have done it BEFORE people spent months and months and untold $$$ developing production farms. Too late, but guess what? The "flaw" KEEPS LOYAL CUSTOMERS INTERESTED AND SPENDING MONEY!!!!! Why do you want to screw with that????!!!
Im on level 43 and I have to say I love the game so I have decided to joined a coop no4 in uk1 ranking and get seriously to work,it was perfect;) our coop is full of successful,amazing people who love this game just like I do;) so naturally I was contemplating which strategy to chose and how much I will have to spend to get me there,apart from what I already did(2 months of my life &150 euro)... and then this update comes up... I start to read about it in this and many, many, other posts and I decided to take my time to understand first what happened with out jumping to conclusions ..after two days spend on reading and talking to other people this is what came to my head
- based on what know do I leave this game before I spend more of my hard earned money and best years of my life to become ultra hardcore player only to discover that i support and promote a company that acts like a bully and don't care about its most valuable assets ?
-or for what is worth I will try to forget for a moment about damage that is done because we all do mistakes and because im so angry that my logic is gone and we all know that doesn't help... and maybe first I should give them ONE chance to do something in order to fix it.
I decided to go and sleep over it...
after good night sleep this is what came to my head-this is the part where I do...
1-my dear GGS just so you know who you dealing with,what all above stands for and what its at stake here let me introduce my self,my name is Marcin Soltysiak I have been playing Vgames since I was 5years old i'm 33 now so that's 28 years , tens and for sure will be hundreds of thousands of dollars spend in the process... me and people like me are sole reason that company's like this one exist... my message for u is - I find this update a poor choice and highly recommend that you reconsider or scrape it completely,non the less if you decide to go thru with this update as it is,or if u will fail to find a compromise,I repeat IF U FAIL to find compromise you will prove to me beyond any doubt that u have lost or never had any values which people like me hold dear to our hearts... its simple as that. And so u will leave me with no choice but to cancel my account and my support for whatever products that this company has to offer and I had in mind to be part of, now or in the future effective immediately. Also I will think twice to be part of any of affiliates of yours if any.
2-Further more for the sake of balance I will do my best to make aware of existence of this tread in this forum (with out taking part any of the sides), with help of all social media known to man to ALL those but not limited to who my be concerned about this situation outcome , in order to give them chance to express themselves on the mater with sole purpose to find solution suitable to all.
With Regards .MS
PS;!!!IMPORTANT!!!all what has been written above is designed in order to reflect my opinion on the mater of recent update,and performance, and represent only my personal opinion on it.its not meant in any way to influence others to follow my course of action.
No doubt the affect of the actions that many coops are now taking will result in the profit margin for GGS to plummet, and many so called 'special offers' will be available in an attempt to break peoples resolve.
Some of our coop members do have mega farms some are heavy gold users, other do not use gold. The aforementioned can manage the changes, the point is Why Should They!!!! As many have said already, you can not change the game strategy when the rules have already been defined and players are playing within the rules.
The most positive aspect of the proposed change is the way it has united coops, and believe us GGS, we are a force to be reckoned with.
There is a well known quote attributed to pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984), which for those that do not believe the manner in which game players are being treated will affect them at some stage should take heed of
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
Happyhens Cooperative currently ranked # 4 and more than happy to lose the ranking to defend a principle
you are serious on this one????
was there even a slight thought of deleting the production farms without warning??
give me a few days to get breath again cause i boiling now
but i really wanna know what happen if players keep there production farms even with 500%?
On Topic: From a game designer's point of view, I believe these changes are desirable and necessary.
It never made much sense to me that I could reduce my operating costs to zero by placing decorations. It also created a false economy in the minds of many players who believe that -100% is a worthwhile goal, when the truth is that in many cases, their farms could be both more productive and more profitable if they built more production facilities and paid a little in operating costs.
On the other end of the scale, +300% operating costs was an arbitrarily chosen bottom. I would think that a farm with massive numbers of workers and production facilities with no decorations whatsoever would have workers going on strike and walking off the job, and production halted on at least some of the buildings. Of course, +500% is also an arbitrarily chosen bottom - I would think the strategic value of those decisions would be more interesting if the actual bottom would make the farm lose money. At that point, players would need to decide how much $ they could afford to lose on that farm in exchange for a little more production - but I suppose a bottom is necessary for those players who don't want to do the math calculations to figure it all out.
So - although I do agree with the changes in the formula, I can also appreciate the frustration and anger of those players who will be instantly impacted in a very big way by it. I think GGS should have given much more than a few days' notice for a change of this magnitude.
i don't see it as a gold grab - the best decorations in the game are offered for free by completing events - and most of the people who have built +300% farms probably also have a lot of decorations in their inventories and dropboxes. If they cannot accept the +500% operating costs, they need only to destroy a few buildings and replace them with decorations already in inventory.
A few general notes about spending real money on game gold: It's entertainment expense. GGS does give players some gold options that offer long-term benefits: such as the water tower, workshop, blue-roofed housing, library boosts, land expansions, and decorations. Gold spent to rush building or production is not an investment, but an expenditure to receive an immediate benefit in not having to wait for the cycle to complete. (I admit it does feel a little different when the Architect comes calling, though - because rushing building at that time makes it possible to get more upgrades in the same Architect visit.)
Online gaming is all about change, and adapting to it. While I don't really like all of the changes, I do applaud GGS for keeping the game fresh and interesting. GGS is not really moving the goalposts, because they did not set those goalposts - players are free to set their own personal goals in this game. I suppose it is true that something that was formerly achievable (zero operating costs) will no longer be possible, thus causing players working toward that goal to be unable to get there - but that goal was chosen by the players, not GGS.
Anyhoo - JMHO.
This made me laugh.
I'd be feeling much better about this update if instead of all this talk about players "breaking rules" about how the game was "supposed to be played" and whatnot, but rather if the people at GGS just actually said something like "we didn't think of people playing in this way and we screwed up, oops, sorry, and now we have to bring in something to fix it but you won't like it" or something like that, instead of pinning it on players who have come up with novel ways to farm and blaming them for ruining it for everyone, or making up some cock and bull story about how our pixel workers have unionized to complain about the lack of decos or something. :P
What's the word I'm looking for? Oh, that's right: accountability.
so true so true
Now he condemns it as "unfair." Latten, which is it now? Is maxed farming a "great option to play the game" or is it "unfair to other farmers"? GGS is displaying communist tendencies under the cover of fairness.
"Oh, do you poor fatherless child that makes his living by stealing radios think that it is unfair for that guy over there to wear thousand dollar suits and drive million dollar cars? Okay, Mr. Gov. over here will take that away from him. Never mind that it is within his rights to own thousand dollar suits and so forth."
Never mind that is (was anyways) within a non-golder's rightful choice to choose not to have decos on main farm. Now you are penalizing us for that choice just like communist graduated income tax penalizes the upper middle-class (small business owners) for their hard word and their risky investment because they make an "unfair amount of money."
puh-leaz
simple just don't log on anymore and everyone that wants to quit go ahead and do so. Oh wait your not going to, really, but doesn't this complaining all the time make it much better cause in the real world that's what people like to do most anyway.
I have the vague feeling Latten still doesn't think it's wrong or unfair, he is just the one having to bring us the "great" news in as political correct terms as possible. Since he's a CM, not a dev, he probably didn't come up with this "brilliant" plan.
LATTEN: Explain this one to me because so far, you have failed to do so. I get that GGS wish to correct a screw up that THEY designed and never foreseen... Why am I not surprised here... I dunno. But this is FACTUAL as you said it numerous times. Now, to me that is fine and by looking at how the game is set up, it is true that it was most def not intended to be played with no decos. So let's say I'm fine about that part of the GGS solution of making it to -500% if you play this way. BUT...
What I do not get, and this is what I want you to answer me please: Why do you penalize players that ARE PLAYING the game the WAY GGS WANTED TO and achieved -100% happiness? WHY? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And please don't tell me that your team of genius devs cannot figure out a way to make it so this correction doesn't affect players that are playing the game as intended. I will not buy it. NEVER.
For one thing, and trust me, I almost fell off my chair, I agree with Monica here. You guys keep giving us things we never asked for and give some BS stuff we don't want and to top it off, GGS always finds a way to screw it up with bugs and are not fixing them. Why don't you fix the damn game and then, implement stuff players want. But no, this would be too logical. Instead, turn around and penalize the whole group for a small group of players you claim are exploiting the game... Well sorry mate, but if it is allowed, it is not an exploit. Now you decide to change it as it was not your intention. FINE, change it.... But don't penalize players that are not using that FAULT that GGS created.
I am eager to hear you on that one mate... and please, be precise.
PS: I'm not angry at you Latten as you have nothing to do with all this... but sorry mate, you are the First Line of GGS and our go-to person. Also, I might sound a bit "demanding". Well guess what buddy... I have spent hundreds of dollars on that game... I'm entitled to DEMAND a clear and logical explanation as why my investment will now lose its value. How the hell will you compensate me? If you were a company that I hired for services, I'd sue your.... "rear-end" (talking about GGS here, not you personally).
Instant Ocean
Leader of Funny Times
it has nothing to do with these events. people with "normal" farms have no problem finishing the events either. What's it matter how fast you finish the event anyway you get the same prize if you finish 3 days early or right on time.
for the love of g@d come on. I would suggest everyone get every little nit picky thing they can off their chest now while there is still a message board to freely complain on. As I see it there won't be much longer. There have been so many changes to the game which all effect most players in some shape or form. Now not that I read these message boards very much cause it's just a wine fest and personally wine upsets my stomach, but there are a few issues that I know of that I have never seen complained about on here. I am not going to state what these are because you all can see the excitement that is created from a mob mentality of people. Are we going with the one who cries the loudest wins?
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there is no threat...
must be something wrong with me... i still percieve it as a threat that a person may see serious consequences\ and end up in trouble.
Saying its just a heads up is like holding the gun with the barrel just pointed slightly to the side... no threat, just a little friendly advice is all.
And what is serious consequenses anyway? To be kicked out of a game you allready consider leaving due to horrid management?
Consequense of that would be people writing about it here.. in the forums.. so that everybody finds out what GGS does to disobedient.. workers.
No, not workers.. they listen to the workers...